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these case plans were never submitted to the courts only the caseworkers court report. until we started taking the caseplans to our attorney to be submitted in court with our objections and corrections. then we won in court having reasonable efforts on our part and NO reasonable efforts on the agen...

drose wrote:They took my kids last month. They say they want me to go to parenting classes and therapy because I was abused. They say they know my kids werent hurt just that they saw too many fights.

What state are you in?

How old are the kids?

Is your husband gone... as in not coming back?

Best, Dan

It doesn't state in the Constitution that someone can't sell illegal drugs from their home... so if CPS removes children from a home because it's used for illegal drug sales is the Judge required to return the children because it's not in the Constitution? It also doesn't doesn't state in the Const...

Then how could you claim that the primary defense of criminal and civil chargers is Constitutional law? Very easily, if the Constitution is the primary law and trumps all other laws, you don't have to be a rocket scientist or even a lawyer to figure it out. It doesn't state in the Constitution that...

I didn't imply anyone should wait for the appeals process to assert their rights. Well I guess you had me and a few others here fooled. So then, why do you argue the point in the first place? And in fact belittle those who advise that rights should always be asserted in any and every court? I'm not...

Please post the links for that wonderful bit of information, Bob. I already did, did you read it? You failed to post the link to this statement of your's "Yet the Constitution is the ultimate law and the minute anyone walks into any courtroom, whatever the charges, criminal or civil, the primary de...

Please post the links for that wonderful bit of information, Bob. http://www.archives.gov/national-archives-experience/charters/constitution_transcript.html Read it, you might learn something. Bob Lynn wrote, "Yet the Constitution is the ultimate law and the minute anyone walks into any courtroom, ...

You must always fight for your rights, whether the lower courts recognize it as a defense or not, the higher courts do. That would be in an appeal to a higher court after the lower court made an unfavorable decision against the family, correct, Bob? You're assuming the lower court made an unfavorab...

Bob Lynn wrote, "Yet the Constitution is the ultimate law and the minute anyone walks into any courtroom, whatever the charges, criminal or civil, the primary defense is Constitutional law." Please post the links for that wonderful bit of information, Bob. Are lawyers taught that the primary defens...

If "all you can think of is the numbers lost" then isn't it a "numbers game of wins" to you? No, it is the numbers lost. Everytime I look at what Gary Shaw posts about the numbers of children lost each day in the system I get ill. It can't be about how many we win. It has to be about how many we ha...

Dazeemay wrote: It makes me ill that this has become a numbers game of wins. All I can think of is the numbers lost and not being able to help them enough.

If "all you can think of is the numbers lost" then isn't it a "numbers game of wins" to you?

Florida999, Thank you!!!! You intelligently organized and stated the thoughts that were running through my mind as I followed this thread. I believe Dan is one of the best things this forum has going for it. I hope all newcommers do not let the bickering and attacks deter them from taking his advic...

You must always fight for your rights, whether the lower courts recognize it as a defense or not, the higher courts do. That would be in an appeal to a higher court after the lower court made an unfavorable decision against the family, correct, Bob? Again, if you don't fight for your rights, you wa...

minimum 6 months? we were told by the anger management people that it would be at least 12 to 18 months, guess they dont know everything :) Oh, they know. The six month minimum is in rare cases. All CPS has to do is ask for six more months once or twice, and the kids are in foster care a year or a ...

I'm glad you got your children back Florida and I agree that one must do whatever it takes, first and foremost, to get their children back. florida999 Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 2:25 pm Post subject: WE GOT THE KIDS BACK!!!!!!!!!!!! WE FINALLY GOT TO COURT TODAY AND WE GOT THE KIDS BACK!!!!!! DAN, YO...

as i read the posts by dan, then bob, then dan, ect.....it seems to me that each have different causes that they are trying to serve. it seems to me that dan is trying to help with ways to get children home, while bob is working to change the system. both GREAT causes. but if your in the system rig...

i certainly did not want my case to be the cause of such bickering. :( however dan is correct that this method did work for us. i agree with bob that this might not work for someone else. i believe it depends on the severity of the charges. however, i did consult with about five attorneys and they ...

My daughter has now told my mother that she made all of her allegations up. To say that we're blown away is an understatement. What if anything, can I do now? She's going to see a specialist this week who will be aprised of all the events. So that's documentation. No doubt, CPS will believe that I'...

As I've posted florida999 got her children back in three months using that method. You can keep posting it as often as you want, what or may not have happened in one particular case doesn't mean a thing. People get their children back for all sorts of reasons, insinuating to CPS and the family cour...

I thought you never signed a service plan It wasn't a service plan, it was an agreement that we could only have our children returned under the terms of that agreement. There were 3 service plans that my wife signed that I didn't sign, those were very specifically service plans, this one wasn't, ev...

I certainly don't know everything but I never heard of a case where the CPS victims negotiate an agreement with CPS, they dictate all the terms, take it or leave it. We were handed a BS agreement that we had to sign in order to get our children back. I wanted to sign it with "UNDER DURESS" under my...

I think everyone here knows full well that you don't dictate terms to CPS, they dictate terms to you. I'm not talking about "dictating terms" to CPS. A CPS proposed service agreement can be agreed to in it's entirety by the family regardless of the inappropriate or unnecessary services it may conta...

i dont know if this will help anyone, but this is what we did. our children were taken over so called domestic violence and drug use by husband. we never agreed to anything, never signed any case plans. on our own we enrolled in anger management course, and husband has taken weekly drug screens. we...