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what cps said today both verbally and written...

Postby brookeycookie » Wed Jan 18, 2012 6:13 pm

You have to change your one hour per week supervised visits, to the homeless shelter, with a monitor and a police officer, because Friday we are releasing full physical custody to her father and we are releasing full (get this) full legal custody to her father on your review hearing court date, February 2.

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Postby Eljay » Wed Jan 18, 2012 6:28 pm

WTF???????
Advice & opinions provided are no substitute for genuine legal assistance. Laws & rules vary by state/jurisdiction so do your homework and get
an education in CPS laws, rules & practices so that you can FIGHT for your children's rights. I am not a lawyer. Your mileage may vary.

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Postby brookeycookie » Wed Jan 18, 2012 6:40 pm

Oh....the reason given, ie, what I did to lose custody, even on written documents, is.....I called in possible sexual abuse, when they told me there wasn't enough evidence , I called in possible sexual abuse a second time, this time with evidence .

So, they are insinuating I hurt her privates, like munshousen (sp) or PAS, to "make" evidence but they found the cases substantiated for sexual abuse by an unknown perpetrator and no mention of failure to protect, munchouzsen, pas, or anything else on their final paperwork. So.....turn in real abuse? =lose your children.

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Postby brookeycookie » Wed Jan 18, 2012 6:48 pm

Please, if you vote, (and at this point I hate our government so much I think even voting is tallied up corrupt), but just in case, please read the UN CRC then go read it again at parentalrights.org then vote for whoever is against it.

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Postby LynMCo » Wed Jan 18, 2012 6:58 pm

I'm so sorry! What a screwed up, out of control, broken system! It blows my mind the cases they ignore(where the children are living with true horrors) and the freaking overkill and money they waste chasing ghosts! They all need pschycological testing!! May God forgive them since, no one on earth is likely to!

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Postby brookeycookie » Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:08 pm

Amen. And I'm still confused why a homeless shelter, when I have a nice home, so's her dad. Maybe i'll volunteer there, since i'll be there on Wednesdays anyway.

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Postby noroses4u2c » Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:18 pm

so messed up :(
My child was abducted by the government. They demanded a ransom (the case plan). I paid the ransom and my child was kept anyway. It isn't much different from stranger abduction except that the government uses its power to make the abduction legal and unpunishable.

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Postby family_man » Thu Jan 19, 2012 6:19 am

The game isn't over, yet. Couldn't your attorney file a written objection to the state's motion to release custody to your ex? Since all parties do not agree with the motion, the judge would have to hear arguments for and against. This would be your chance to present your side of the story, in both written affidavit and oral testimony. If the judge doesn't hear the arguments, it's grounds for appeal.

If this effort fails, maybe your civil custody case with your ex may now proceed? I seems like you have a lot of evidence (none of which has been heard) to show that your ex is guilty of sex abuse. Plus you have all the reasons that you were given custody in the first place. When you compare all that with the bogus, crazy reasons CPS is turning over custody to the father, I would think you have a pretty strong case to get custody back. At the very least, you can challenge the need for supervised visits.

Then there are the criminal allegations that you've made alleged sexual abuse. Why isn't the DA pursuing them?
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Postby monkette31 » Thu Jan 19, 2012 1:37 pm

ya, and what freak of a doctor is saying you have Munchhausen syndrome? This doctor hooking up with the lawyer that pays them the most crap has to be looked into as well. Did they actually declare you have munchhausens? I think we need to write up some final declarations of this case and have them submitted to the court, somehow...

I'm curious and devastated for you. I'm only curious because I know someone else in No California, not personally, whom the court also said had munchhausens....just thought it was very bogus, like your case.
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Postby Eljay » Thu Jan 19, 2012 3:58 pm

STD by Munchausen... that's a new one. Gawd. Remind me, is your ex fishing-buddies with the police as well and did they refuse to do a real/forensic investigation of your daughter?
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Postby noroses4u2c » Thu Jan 19, 2012 5:53 pm

Eljay wrote:STD by Munchausen... that's a new one. Gawd. Remind me, is your ex fishing-buddies with the police as well and did they refuse to do a real/forensic investigation of your daughter?



Yeah...I mean she would've had to have had access to the STD and all of that. I have never heard of that type of thing ever happening.
My child was abducted by the government. They demanded a ransom (the case plan). I paid the ransom and my child was kept anyway. It isn't much different from stranger abduction except that the government uses its power to make the abduction legal and unpunishable.

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Postby brookeycookie » Fri Jan 20, 2012 4:33 pm

Family man, my lawyer wants me to agree to dad having full custody, so the state will release and get out. He says we will then go to family court, with an agreement signed before juvenile court , that dad gives me joint physical &joint legal at 50-50 parenting time. Ugh.

And....my ex is the mechanic for all the cop cars, so take a guess how the criminal investigation went. It actually was at least more legit than the cps end, though,. At least they just dropped theirs instead of adding lies. However, one cop did refuse to respond to my 911 call. Instead, he called to tell me to he's known my ex forever so he wasn't sending help.

Nobody has said on paper I have MSBP, just

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Postby brookeycookie » Fri Jan 20, 2012 4:34 pm

Verbally hinted it, and told my lawyer they were working that angle.

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Postby family_man » Sat Jan 21, 2012 11:00 am

It's your decision, and I'm not telling you what you should do, of course. I'm just presenting other options you might consider.

You may not get 50-50 custody in family court. The fact that the state recommended and will have awarded full custody to your ex won't work in your favor. You will have to present grounds to request a modification to your custody arrangement. You're in KY, correct? You have to wait 2 years before petitioning for a custody modification, unless you show credible reason to believe the child's present environment may seriously endange his physical, mental, moral or emotional health. I think you do have reason to believe your ex poses a risk, but will the court? And if he is a risk, why ask for just 50-50 custody? Why not go for sole custudy with supervised visitation?

http://www.lrc.ky.gov/KRS/403-00/340.PDF

Your attorney works for you, not the other way around. Objecting to the CPS motion to transfer full custody to your ex may get them out of your lives sooner, but it may not lead to a better outcome. The longer you let their lies and distortions go unchallenged, the more accepted as gospel truth they will become.
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Postby noroses4u2c » Sat Jan 21, 2012 12:01 pm

family_man wrote:It's your decision, and I'm not telling you what you should do, of course. I'm just presenting other options you might consider.

You may not get 50-50 custody in family court. The fact that the state recommended and will have awarded full custody to your ex won't work in your favor. You will have to present grounds to request a modification to your custody arrangement. You're in KY, correct? You have to wait 2 years before petitioning for a custody modification, unless you show credible reason to believe the child's present environment may seriously endange his physical, mental, moral or emotional health. I think you do have reason to believe your ex poses a risk, but will the court? And if he is a risk, why ask for just 50-50 custody? Why not go for sole custudy with supervised visitation?

http://www.lrc.ky.gov/KRS/403-00/340.PDF

Your attorney works for you, not the other way around. Objecting to the CPS motion to transfer full custody to your ex may get them out of your lives sooner, but it may not lead to a better outcome. The longer you let their lies and distortions go unchallenged, the more accepted as gospel truth they will become.



I'm the one in KY. I think she's in Missouri or Kansas.
My child was abducted by the government. They demanded a ransom (the case plan). I paid the ransom and my child was kept anyway. It isn't much different from stranger abduction except that the government uses its power to make the abduction legal and unpunishable.

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Postby family_man » Sat Jan 21, 2012 12:23 pm

Yes, now I remember. You're in Missouri. The two-year waiting period doesn't apply. But you still have to demonstrate the a change has occurred in the circumstances of the child or the guardian, to warrant a modification. What "change" would that be? Would CPS closing the case qualify? I'm not sure. This is why it might be better to challenge the award of custody now, rather than later.

452.410. 1. Except as provided in subsection 2 of this section, the court shall not modify a prior custody decree unless it has jurisdiction under the provisions of section 452.450 and it finds, upon the basis of facts that have arisen since the prior decree or that were unknown to the court at the time of the prior decree, that a change has occurred in the circumstances of the child or his custodian and that the modification is necessary to serve the best interests of the child. Notwithstanding any other provision of this section or sections 452.375 and 452.400, any custody order entered by any court in this state or any other state prior to August 13, 1984, may, subject to jurisdictional requirements, be modified to allow for joint custody in accordance with section 452.375, without any further showing.

2. If either parent files a motion to modify an award of joint legal custody or joint physical custody, each party shall be entitled to a change of judge as provided by supreme court rule.
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Postby brookeycookie » Sat Jan 21, 2012 1:00 pm

Yes, Missouri. And I'm going crazy running all options through my head. I agree , the court may not go for joint custody. I am trying, as usual, to contact my lawyer. He says I don't have the money to depose expert witnesses, and doing juvenile court without them is suicide. Grrr!!! I know what I need to do, but everyone keeps costing stupid money. This sucks. HOW do I get the judge to accept my declaration????

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Postby noroses4u2c » Sat Jan 21, 2012 1:30 pm

I have no idea what the best course of action would be for you. Your little girl is hurting so much.

I have no trust whatsoever of government. The government is corrupt and evil.

I sent a letter today to the ACLU. I don't know if they'd help me or not. I have no idea whether or not they'd help you. Have you considered them though?
My child was abducted by the government. They demanded a ransom (the case plan). I paid the ransom and my child was kept anyway. It isn't much different from stranger abduction except that the government uses its power to make the abduction legal and unpunishable.

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Postby monkette31 » Sat Jan 21, 2012 2:41 pm

How is the baby's father in all of this? Are you guys mortal enemies and will he hold and keep the baby away from you? Has he said that he is willing to give 50-50 custody?
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Postby brookeycookie » Sat Jan 21, 2012 3:18 pm

That 50-50 promise came through my lawyer, from his lawyer. I've not been allowed to speak to him. Plus, I turned him in for molesting our toddler, I doubt I'm his favorite person. Before my daughter told on him, though, we got along well.

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Postby monkette31 » Sat Jan 21, 2012 5:39 pm

Tell your lawyer you want to see a copy of the agreement.
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Postby brookeycookie » Sat Jan 21, 2012 5:53 pm

I told him. He said it's not written yet, but he won't agree until he sees it and I sign it. But....courts in 12 days!!

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Postby monkette31 » Sat Jan 21, 2012 7:29 pm

this sounds like a saving grace for you being with your daughter at the least.
I'm not a lawyer but will try and help you any way i can. My postings may seem harsh but they all stem from personal experience with DCFS. I am not a victim and take responsibility for my part in my life, but I will always help ANYONE learn about the corrupt sick system.

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Postby family_man » Sun Jan 22, 2012 12:40 pm

If you settle for 50-50 custody, you won't receive any child support from your ex. That will probably cost you more in the long run than your extra legal fees now. Plus your daughter will be safer if you win. That should be the main concern. Your attorney should accept a deferred payment plan.
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Postby brookeycookie » Sun Jan 22, 2012 2:51 pm

I see it like this...ya, I'm scared. I miss her. I'm pissed. I'm broke. It sounds good now, but at what cost later? I have to look at her future. Her present is f#@%$d already. I'm not signing her over. I can't. Even cps says Im Unsubstantiated of any CA/N. Even if I go in there and they give her to him, I will at least have something to appeal. If I voluntarily give custody up, I wont. I truly think dad will either mess up again or cave, and share her anyway. If I take the plea bargain, and he changes his mind, I will have thrown her away along with any chance to appeal. Its hard, and its tempting, just to get cps to go away, but we all know they may come back . And no, he wont take payments. He should, but he wont. I will just have to stand on my voice, my sworn affidavit, and


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