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Re: Need help finding unbiased psych evaluator

Postby LynMCo » Mon Feb 20, 2012 12:32 am

I had mine(paid by them) during home study process summer of 2009. They may show you scenes. i.e. Girl sitting with head down on knees, someone in background looking on... You're asked to tell a story about what you see. These were in addition to the standard blot pictures. Husband only had blots(different tester) anyways, recently learned these pics. are geared towards deeper analytical thinking. To me they were mostly sad scenes. I actually said "no more" after about 10. These pics. gave a lot of info re: abusive mother and my childhood. It was no big deal, I was just amazed at the accuracy of the info. Ex; I need to remind myself occasionally that the fight or flight response I needed in childhood is no longer necessary as, I'm a grown up, no longer that defenseless child. Anyways, what was a pain in the behind, after the testing I wanted the results. I was passed back and forth between the agency and the Dr. for about 2 months. I finally asked my Adoption worker WTH? Was there some problem with the results? He looked me in the eye and said,"Lynn, if there was a problem, that baby wouldn't still be in your home. We're just not sure who's supposed to go over the results w/ you. But, you're fine." A counselor I saw briefly got fed up w/ them. Told me it was all about $$. Agency didn't want to pay Dr. more $ and Dr wouldn't do it otherwise. He took an extra hour that week to go over all the results w/ me. Fast forward to Jan. of last year, the bitch testified in court that my testing results had thrown up many red flags! Of course, a lawyer would have torn her up but, since they'd refused me a lawyer, given me 4 lousy days to find one(including weekend), which turned out to be impossible! I was trying to represent myself the best I could however, of course the baby's so called Atty and their Atty made mincemeat out of me! When the bitch came up to me afterwards saying,"you have to admit I was fair. I thought you did a great job." It took every ounce of self control I possessed not to punch her right in the mouth! I'm not a violent person. That day, I looked her right in eye and said,"Get the hell away from me before I forget or stop caring I'm standing in a court house. Get away from me fast." It took a little time to get over her display of the evilness that lives within her soul!

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Re: Need help finding unbiased psych evaluator

Postby noroses4u2c » Mon Feb 20, 2012 7:36 am

LynMCo wrote:I had mine(paid by them) during home study process summer of 2009. They may show you scenes. i.e. Girl sitting with head down on knees, someone in background looking on... You're asked to tell a story about what you see. These were in addition to the standard blot pictures. Husband only had blots(different tester) anyways, recently learned these pics. are geared towards deeper analytical thinking. To me they were mostly sad scenes. I actually said "no more" after about 10. These pics. gave a lot of info re: abusive mother and my childhood. It was no big deal, I was just amazed at the accuracy of the info. Ex; I need to remind myself occasionally that the fight or flight response I needed in childhood is no longer necessary as, I'm a grown up, no longer that defenseless child. Anyways, what was a pain in the behind, after the testing I wanted the results. I was passed back and forth between the agency and the Dr. for about 2 months. I finally asked my Adoption worker WTH? Was there some problem with the results? He looked me in the eye and said,"Lynn, if there was a problem, that baby wouldn't still be in your home. We're just not sure who's supposed to go over the results w/ you. But, you're fine." A counselor I saw briefly got fed up w/ them. Told me it was all about $$. Agency didn't want to pay Dr. more $ and Dr wouldn't do it otherwise. He took an extra hour that week to go over all the results w/ me. Fast forward to Jan. of last year, the bitch testified in court that my testing results had thrown up many red flags! Of course, a lawyer would have torn her up but, since they'd refused me a lawyer, given me 4 lousy days to find one(including weekend), which turned out to be impossible! I was trying to represent myself the best I could however, of course the baby's so called Atty and their Atty made mincemeat out of me! When the bitch came up to me afterwards saying,"you have to admit I was fair. I thought you did a great job." It took every ounce of self control I possessed not to punch her right in the mouth! I'm not a violent person. That day, I looked her right in eye and said,"Get the hell away from me before I forget or stop caring I'm standing in a court house. Get away from me fast." It took a little time to get over her display of the evilness that lives within her soul!


That worker sounds like the worker handling my case. Worker on my case was actually smiling with total joy when my visitation was terminated on her lies.

I have never seen anything in ink blots. I find that 'test' completely annoying. It's just a black blob on paper or cards.
My child was abducted by the government. They demanded a ransom (the case plan). I paid the ransom and my child was kept anyway. It isn't much different from stranger abduction except that the government uses its power to make the abduction legal and unpunishable.

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Re: Need help finding unbiased psych evaluator

Postby LynMCo » Mon Feb 20, 2012 2:08 pm

I agree re: blots. Someone told me Saturday that's why some have started using the pics. and asking you to make up a story. They're supposedly trying to get deeper than the blots. Makes sense I guess. The blot that looks somewhat like(to me) mountains and trees? My exhusband said it looked like Bigfoot lying down?? Supposedly his tester had quite the reaction over this. Lol knowing my ex his personality is such that he bends over backwards not to be one of the norm!

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Re: Need help finding unbiased psych evaluator

Postby noroses4u2c » Tue Feb 21, 2012 7:24 pm

I am being sent to a child psychiatrist by CPS.

I had tracked down one on my own who wanted to confer with my attorney to determine what kind of evaluation needed to be done. My attorney blew her off, telling her that I already was being sent to one. I was like why would you do that?? I wanted a private one done.

I'm going to call the psychologist back and see if I can still have it done. I don't know if she'll still even talk to me.
My child was abducted by the government. They demanded a ransom (the case plan). I paid the ransom and my child was kept anyway. It isn't much different from stranger abduction except that the government uses its power to make the abduction legal and unpunishable.

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Re: Need help finding unbiased psych evaluator

Postby noroses4u2c » Wed Feb 22, 2012 8:03 am

Oh now it gets even better. I received a letter from the KY bar association saying they weren't doing anything more with the investigation and that the complaint was going to be shredded. I had two witnesses as to what that woman did, and it meant nothing.

The psychologist that was going to help yesterday is now unwilling to help me today. She said that I didn't have the right to go to one on my own choosing that I had to go to the one the court demanded I go to.

This child psychologist is the same one that diagnosed my daughter with a bunch of stuff she doesn't have and insinuated that I caused it. There is absolutely no way this man can be unbiased. No way. I am about to be wrote up with all kinds of crap that I don't have. And if I don't go then I get into trouble. I have no chance at all.
My child was abducted by the government. They demanded a ransom (the case plan). I paid the ransom and my child was kept anyway. It isn't much different from stranger abduction except that the government uses its power to make the abduction legal and unpunishable.

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Re: Need help finding unbiased psych evaluator

Postby Eljay » Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:04 am

Just make sure you write down everything that is said, and/or record it. Gotta work on documenting their lies!
Advice & opinions provided are no substitute for genuine legal assistance. Laws & rules vary by state/jurisdiction so do your homework and get
an education in CPS laws, rules & practices so that you can FIGHT for your children's rights. I am not a lawyer. Your mileage may vary.

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Re: Need help finding unbiased psych evaluator

Postby brookeycookie » Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:12 pm

You DO have to go to the court ordered one, but you can ALSO do a private pay one. Additional, extra, to counter theirs and cast doubt upon the court . It is expensive though. 800-5000, depending on the shrink and the depth of the evaluation. Mine was 3500.

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Re: Need help finding unbiased psych evaluator

Postby noroses4u2c » Thu Mar 08, 2012 11:21 am

I got a copy of the psych evaluation that was done as part of my disability claim back in 2010. It was of course before my daughter was taken. The psychologist had me as pretty much normal except for the PTSD which was described as mild.

I also got a copy of the psych evaluation the disablity office did on me during the appeal which was done after my daughter was taken. I was at that time a basketcase. The only difference between the two was that my daughter was taken. My symptoms were moderate to severe depression I think is what it said. Okay, the only difference was that my daughter was taken. I would've most likely been denied disability had my daughter not been taken. CPS basically made me mentally disabled by government standards by taking my child from me.
My child was abducted by the government. They demanded a ransom (the case plan). I paid the ransom and my child was kept anyway. It isn't much different from stranger abduction except that the government uses its power to make the abduction legal and unpunishable.

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Re: Need help finding unbiased psych evaluator

Postby stormynights472 » Thu Mar 08, 2012 12:28 pm

noroses4u2c wrote:It was court ordered for me to have a psych evaluation yesterday. Immediately, CPS had one in mind. He will of course be biased.

I need to find an unbiased evaluator, and I literally only have days to get it done. Results have to be submitted by 2/29.

Please, help.

I'm in KY.


Hello, I just joined and may not have alot of information however, here in NJ I contacted a hospital which also has a psych office in it and explained the situation to them and how we need an unbiased person to do our testing and they agreed to accept us and since they're affiliated with the hospital they accept all insurance. I am not sure that will help you or not in your state but it's worth a shot.

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Re: Need help finding unbiased psych evaluator

Postby noroses4u2c » Thu Mar 08, 2012 2:40 pm

stormynights472 wrote:
noroses4u2c wrote:It was court ordered for me to have a psych evaluation yesterday. Immediately, CPS had one in mind. He will of course be biased.

I need to find an unbiased evaluator, and I literally only have days to get it done. Results have to be submitted by 2/29.

Please, help.

I'm in KY.


Hello, I just joined and may not have alot of information however, here in NJ I contacted a hospital which also has a psych office in it and explained the situation to them and how we need an unbiased person to do our testing and they agreed to accept us and since they're affiliated with the hospital they accept all insurance. I am not sure that will help you or not in your state but it's worth a shot.


ty, I'll check and see.
My child was abducted by the government. They demanded a ransom (the case plan). I paid the ransom and my child was kept anyway. It isn't much different from stranger abduction except that the government uses its power to make the abduction legal and unpunishable.

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Re: Need help finding unbiased psych evaluator

Postby stormynights472 » Thu Mar 08, 2012 2:48 pm

stormynights472 wrote:
noroses4u2c wrote:It was court ordered for me to have a psych evaluation yesterday. Immediately, CPS had one in mind. He will of course be biased.

I need to find an unbiased evaluator, and I literally only have days to get it done. Results have to be submitted by 2/29.

Please, help.

I'm in KY.


Hello, I just joined and may not have alot of information however, here in NJ I contacted a hospital which also has a psych office in it and explained the situation to them and how we need an unbiased person to do our testing and they agreed to accept us and since they're affiliated with the hospital they accept all insurance. I am not sure that will help you or not in your state but it's worth a shot.


Apparently after making my appointment the lady called me back and said we need a referral and since it's a dyfs case we would need one from them in order to have it done so there goes that idea. I had to ask the woman though..If it wasn't court mandated why would I randomly call and ask to have a psych evaluation/assessment done on myself? I didn't get an answer and she politely told me to have a nice day~!

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Re: Need help finding unbiased psych evaluator

Postby noroses4u2c » Thu Mar 08, 2012 6:38 pm

stormynights472 wrote: Apparently after making my appointment the lady called me back and said we need a referral and since it's a dyfs case we would need one from them in order to have it done so there goes that idea. I had to ask the woman though..If it wasn't court mandated why would I randomly call and ask to have a psych evaluation/assessment done on myself? I didn't get an answer and she politely told me to have a nice day~!


lol

And we're supposed to be the crazy ones. They don't even have any sense!
My child was abducted by the government. They demanded a ransom (the case plan). I paid the ransom and my child was kept anyway. It isn't much different from stranger abduction except that the government uses its power to make the abduction legal and unpunishable.

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Re: Need help finding unbiased psych evaluator

Postby stormynights472 » Thu Mar 08, 2012 8:36 pm

noroses4u2c wrote:
stormynights472 wrote: Apparently after making my appointment the lady called me back and said we need a referral and since it's a dyfs case we would need one from them in order to have it done so there goes that idea. I had to ask the woman though..If it wasn't court mandated why would I randomly call and ask to have a psych evaluation/assessment done on myself? I didn't get an answer and she politely told me to have a nice day~!


lol

And we're supposed to be the crazy ones. They don't even have any sense!


The problem is even the most sane person can go INSANE from tolerating these monsters that the states have given the power over all us parents. I posted the question to the one nasty worker in the office ...You have known my kids for all of about 7 minutes how DARE YOU think you know what's better for my children then me!?

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Re: Need help finding unbiased psych evaluator

Postby noroses4u2c » Fri Mar 09, 2012 8:08 am

Had therapy this morning. I subtly confronted her about what was said in court about my therapy sessions. I really didn't like her answer, but I lost the nerve to fire her. I will though. I just need some time.

I insisted that the caseworker lied about me. The therapist insisted that the caseworker wouldn't have just pulled it from thin air. Basically, the therapist did not believe me and admitted in so many words that she believes I must have done something wrong.

I felt triggered when I left. I just need to relax now. I do not intend to keep my next appointment. I am going to call and cancel later.

The therapist insisted that I had not been dealing with my PTSD during therapy all this time. I kept telling her that what was going on in court was very triggering and that all I was doing was dealing with PTSD in therapy. She was totally clueless and didn't see how I could be that traumatized from just what is going on in court. Someone that clueless could never help me with anything.

So, my therapist did indeed say that I was just trying to spin a story and badmouth me. I wish I could've got up the nerve to fire her today, but I was so down and disappointed. I was hoping she would deny it. I really hoped she would deny it. That explains why my attorney refused to let me see the therapist notes. My attorney had lied to me though and told me that the therapist notes were helpful. Yeah, helpful to the opposition!

Well, I know I need to get away from this mess. I'm going to finish my thesis, graduate, and move far away from here. I just am not sure where I'm going to go.

I'm basically going to have to start life all over again for now. I have no idea where to even begin. I guess I'll just focus on the thesis for now though. My degree is worthless really, but I am still so close to finishing.
My child was abducted by the government. They demanded a ransom (the case plan). I paid the ransom and my child was kept anyway. It isn't much different from stranger abduction except that the government uses its power to make the abduction legal and unpunishable.

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Re: Need help finding unbiased psych evaluator

Postby stormynights472 » Fri Mar 09, 2012 9:09 am

noroses4u2c wrote:Had therapy this morning. I subtly confronted her about what was said in court about my therapy sessions. I really didn't like her answer, but I lost the nerve to fire her. I will though. I just need some time.

I insisted that the caseworker lied about me. The therapist insisted that the caseworker wouldn't have just pulled it from thin air. Basically, the therapist did not believe me and admitted in so many words that she believes I must have done something wrong.

I felt triggered when I left. I just need to relax now. I do not intend to keep my next appointment. I am going to call and cancel later.

The therapist insisted that I had not been dealing with my PTSD during therapy all this time. I kept telling her that what was going on in court was very triggering and that all I was doing was dealing with PTSD in therapy. She was totally clueless and didn't see how I could be that traumatized from just what is going on in court. Someone that clueless could never help me with anything.

So, my therapist did indeed say that I was just trying to spin a story and badmouth me. I wish I could've got up the nerve to fire her today, but I was so down and disappointed. I was hoping she would deny it. I really hoped she would deny it. That explains why my attorney refused to let me see the therapist notes. My attorney had lied to me though and told me that the therapist notes were helpful. Yeah, helpful to the opposition!

Well, I know I need to get away from this mess. I'm going to finish my thesis, graduate, and move far away from here. I just am not sure where I'm going to go.

I'm basically going to have to start life all over again for now. I have no idea where to even begin. I guess I'll just focus on the thesis for now though. My degree is worthless really, but I am still so close to finishing.


I am so sorry you have to be going through this. I just don't understand what happened to doctor/patient relationships where the therapist is suppose to listen to you and not judge you? Seems to me like your therapist is beyond bias towards you and that is a shame!

I have many friends who have come back from this war ( one of my best friends) and now they're dealing with PTSD does that mean that people who fight for our country should not deserve to have children? Or do the same rules not apply to everyone?

It's a shame how much we fight to show the truth and all CPS has to do is make an "allegation" or "lie" and everyone believes them when they have NO proof of what they claim. I want to know why in any other court the burden of proof is suppose to be on the person making the allegations yet we ( the defendants) are the ones having to show all the proof that these things are not true. In some cases though, I wonder how can you prove hearsay never happened? How can you prove a lie never transpired considering it's a lie and there IS no way to prove it?

Please hold your head high and know you're doing all that you can to fight these monsters. All of us who are fighting need to hold our heads high and prove to them they have not won!

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Re: Need help finding unbiased psych evaluator

Postby noroses4u2c » Fri Mar 09, 2012 10:07 am

Since the day she was taken, everyone has had the attitude that I must have done something. The attitude is that the social worker wouldn't lie.

I actually have only met one social worker out of all the ones I have encountered that has told the truth. I've even been trying to track her down, because she has seen how my ex really is. I have had no luck at all tracking her down. The phone number I had for CPS in that town doesn't even work anymore. My ex tried to deceive her into having his niece placed with him back in 1998. She called me as part of the background check. I had not even known that the girl was finally taken prior to the phone call, but as soon as she identified herself out my mouth pops the question 'has *the mother's name* been abusing her again? I told the social worker all I knew about the family. She informed me then that I was going to be needed in court to testify and I got served with papers the next day to appear in court.

My niece's GAL in court was badmouthing me, accusing me of ignoring the girl's abuse, which was totally untrue. I had reported it to the local CPS numerous times, but the workers were friends of the family and refused to do anything. Fortunately for the girl, the mother moved out of town and that CPS did something about it. The mother had subjected the girl to extreme abuse. She would take and pinch her skin, for example, over and over again making it bleed. She was severely scarred all over her body from years of this happening to her. Even with my presenting proof in court of his true nature, the GAL sided with him. The GAL had never even took the time to speak to me, just kept badmouthing me. I risked retaliation from my then still husband by helping to block his getting her. I loved that girl like she was my own daughter though, and it was worth the risk.

That is the only case I have ever been involved in where the child needed saving. All the other cases were for stupid reasons like dirty dishes in the sink.

The little girl was bi-racial, but looked almost completely white. The mother had a fling with a white man. I never understood, because his family is very racist against white people. The whole family pretty much abused the little girl. They literally hated her. When I was with him still I would watch her as much as possible to give her a buffer from them. The mother hated that though and ended up putting an end to it. She was such a sweet child. She was six I think when she was taken. She could barely read/write and had not attended a day in school. The mother treated her like garbage always. I was the only one at the time around her that cared about her and treated her nice. She would light up when she'd see me. I wanted to get custody of her myself, but I was not biologically related and was divorcing the family so I couldn't get her. I would've treated her great though.

The foster mom she had was wonderful. She treated her like she was her own child and was very protective over her.

The social worker was stunned about his true character though. And I had the separation papers with me when I met her in person. He had cut out all the mention of DV from the separation papers, taped it back together, and faxed it to her like that. He was caught covering stuff up.

I have never met another like her. All the other SWers I've met were power hungry creatures. She actually treated people with respect. It's a shame they all aren't like her.
My child was abducted by the government. They demanded a ransom (the case plan). I paid the ransom and my child was kept anyway. It isn't much different from stranger abduction except that the government uses its power to make the abduction legal and unpunishable.

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Re: Need help finding unbiased psych evaluator

Postby stormynights472 » Fri Mar 09, 2012 12:29 pm

That is honestly mind boggling. I know in my state they routinely change workers not even from county to county but from one office to another. One parent I know involved with these monsters for the past few years told me when she questioned why her case workers keep changing..That the response she received was this " we do not let our social workers stay with a family for a long period of time thus trying to prevent a close relationship/bond with a certain individual who may not look out for the best interest of the child/children because of their now personal relationship with the family!) Tell me how THAT makes sense!? Every time a new worker comes in you have to go through the whole process all over again! It's a shame you can't find the other worker who you liked. Did you ever try contacting the head state office? They keep a record of state wide caseworkers and if she is still one they would be able to tell you what county and maybe a contact number.

In true abuse/neglect cases they do NOTHING and in cases where no one is doing anything wrong they do everything against the family. I told them the title youth and family services is a JOKE considering they're looking out to SEPERATE families not help hold together ones. The workers were getting aggravated with me but at that point they took my babies so what more could they do to me? My case was only a few days which seemed like years but my constant fear of them doing it again is what's pushing me to do all I can to stop them in their tracks and not provide them another opportunity to take my life away again since essentially that's what they did.


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