Trying to Get our Baby home, Please Help!!!
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Fighting4Kaden
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Trying to Get our Baby home, Please Help!!!
My name is Brandi and my husband and I are just beginning this nightmare that many of you know all to well. On June 24th we took our 6 month old son to the ER because his right leg was swollen and he wasn't moving it. Keep in mind our son was also 14 weeks premature!At the ER here they took an x-ray and found a chip fracture. Of course we had no explanation of how this could have happened so the called DHS. The hospital sent us home and told us to follow up with his Dr. and that a DHS worker would meet us at home. Well we were met at home by a worker and had an interview. On Monday we called his Dr. like we were supposed to and he told us to get the X-rays from the ER and go to IA City( The hospital where are son was born). We went there and they did a full skeletal survey and found several more fractures. Again we had no idea how he could have gotten these fractures. We had no idea our baby was hurting this way. They admitted him until DHS could get there. The hospital did some blood tests to rule out the known bone disorders. But when they didn't find anything they said it must be abuse. So then our son was placed in state custody and on July 3rd he entered a foster home. We know that this is not abuse. We have done a lot of research on differnt thing that it could be and a lot of these bone disorders do not show up on bloodwork. We asked them about doing other tests and they kind of shurugged it off, they thought since they had done some testing and didn't find anythign it had to be abuse!! We know it's not! We want to find out what's wrong with our baby!!! As of right now the court has ordered he stay in fostercare, but we are allowed to get a second opinion. But the hospital where he was at, hasn't even planned any follow-up on the differnt fractures. That infuriates me, because I had a broken finger once and tehy even followed-up on that!!! And my son has several fractures and they don't plan on making sure they heal properly!!!!!!! Makes no sense at all! Any help or insight would be greatly appreciated!!!
I want to get my baby back!
Oh Sweetheart. I feel so bad for you. I can't imagine being in your, and everyone elses here, situation.
I don't have any children. I wish I did but I can't carry a baby to term (which is another story). But instead I have two dogs that I love more than anything. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to make light of your situation by comparing my dogs to your baby. It's not the same at all, of course. But still I can't imagine if someone came and took my dogs away from me, accusing me of things I didn't do. I don't think I'd be able to make it through the day if I found myself where you guys are.
Though I haven't had any children taken away from me I have been in the custody of CPS myself throughout my teenage years, so I know the ways of the CPS and many of their workers.
Based on my own experiences the only advice I can give anyone who is dealing with the CPS is to read, read, read. Learn your rights. Learn the law. Make sure that you know exactly what your case worker knows. Fight them with their own weapons, so to say. Also, never let them see you upset. Always stay dignified so that they know that you are not some fool they can push around. If you break down in front of them or get upset or angry they will use that against you.
Since you are dealing with broken bones in a baby you should definitely keep reading and learning about any medical disorders that could cause this. Find and contact any experts on bone disorders to make sure that you will get the best to get a second opinion from. I would also make sure that the second doctor you take your son to is not biased against you from the get go.
A relative of mine went through a situation very similar to yours where her baby also had broken bones. Both parents denied causing it and everyone in our family believed them. We also thought that it may have been caused by a bone disease. But in the end it turned out that it was the dad that had caused it. The baby's mother (my relative) had no idea. She loved this guy and didn't for a second think that he would hurt their baby. But because she stood behind her boyfriend in the beginning the CPS held ger accountable too, and they took the baby.
I'm not saying that your husband caused the injuries to your baby. But if there is any chance that someone who's cared for your son could have, you may want to look into that. Not only to protect your son but also to keep yourself from being seen as enabling the abuse like my relative.
But most of all, like I said, the best thing you can do right now is to educate yourself and stay strong. I really hope that you will make it through this and get your baby back as soon as possible. Back where he belongs with his mommy.
You will be in my thoughts. Take care,
Momo
I don't have any children. I wish I did but I can't carry a baby to term (which is another story). But instead I have two dogs that I love more than anything. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to make light of your situation by comparing my dogs to your baby. It's not the same at all, of course. But still I can't imagine if someone came and took my dogs away from me, accusing me of things I didn't do. I don't think I'd be able to make it through the day if I found myself where you guys are.
Though I haven't had any children taken away from me I have been in the custody of CPS myself throughout my teenage years, so I know the ways of the CPS and many of their workers.
Based on my own experiences the only advice I can give anyone who is dealing with the CPS is to read, read, read. Learn your rights. Learn the law. Make sure that you know exactly what your case worker knows. Fight them with their own weapons, so to say. Also, never let them see you upset. Always stay dignified so that they know that you are not some fool they can push around. If you break down in front of them or get upset or angry they will use that against you.
Since you are dealing with broken bones in a baby you should definitely keep reading and learning about any medical disorders that could cause this. Find and contact any experts on bone disorders to make sure that you will get the best to get a second opinion from. I would also make sure that the second doctor you take your son to is not biased against you from the get go.
A relative of mine went through a situation very similar to yours where her baby also had broken bones. Both parents denied causing it and everyone in our family believed them. We also thought that it may have been caused by a bone disease. But in the end it turned out that it was the dad that had caused it. The baby's mother (my relative) had no idea. She loved this guy and didn't for a second think that he would hurt their baby. But because she stood behind her boyfriend in the beginning the CPS held ger accountable too, and they took the baby.
I'm not saying that your husband caused the injuries to your baby. But if there is any chance that someone who's cared for your son could have, you may want to look into that. Not only to protect your son but also to keep yourself from being seen as enabling the abuse like my relative.
But most of all, like I said, the best thing you can do right now is to educate yourself and stay strong. I really hope that you will make it through this and get your baby back as soon as possible. Back where he belongs with his mommy.
You will be in my thoughts. Take care,
Momo
In another post, Fighting4Kaden said the baby had been on steroids.
I responded on that post that my brother took Prednisone for 1 week for a sore shoulder, and he was in excruciating pain for a year before any of the doctors could diagnosis it. The doctor that gave him the Prednisone knew what it was, and my brother had to have hip-replacement surgery on both hips.
I researched this for 6 months, and YES, a person's bones can deteriorate very quickly after taking steroids. That's why children are given inhalers now, instead of oral prednisone, for asthma, etc.
The FDA KNOWS this. Foxamax is sold to treat "glucocorticoid-induced-osteoporosis." Steroids have deadly side effects.
I am posting some links in the Medical Issues section.
I am searching "osteopenia + child + maltreatment"
I responded on that post that my brother took Prednisone for 1 week for a sore shoulder, and he was in excruciating pain for a year before any of the doctors could diagnosis it. The doctor that gave him the Prednisone knew what it was, and my brother had to have hip-replacement surgery on both hips.
I researched this for 6 months, and YES, a person's bones can deteriorate very quickly after taking steroids. That's why children are given inhalers now, instead of oral prednisone, for asthma, etc.
The FDA KNOWS this. Foxamax is sold to treat "glucocorticoid-induced-osteoporosis." Steroids have deadly side effects.
I am posting some links in the Medical Issues section.
I am searching "osteopenia + child + maltreatment"
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lostintranslation
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Another thing that needs to be said about steroids is that it can cause a lack of appetite in children. When a young child is on oral steroids and they lose their appetite and possibly some weight loss, a doctor can over react and claim failure to thrive. That was something that was allegated against us until I was able to show documentation that my son was on oral steroids which was causing a lack of appetite.
Hell hath no fury like a parent scorn
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Fighting4Kaden
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Where?
Can you tell me where I can find the information about the steroids causing the bone loss after just one week. The Drs. are asying that since he was only on them for 10 days they couldn't have affected the bones! But He was also on other medicines that cause bone loss too. He was on 2 different diuretics and he was also on a antacid and oxygen, all of which are linked to some bone disorders, but his doctors seemed to have shrugged it off! We are all dumfounded that they are just shrugging it off the way they are.
I want to get my baby back!
http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/steroids.htm#a
Will try to find the other one I had in mind.
Also, get the name of the medication, then go to the drug store and ask for a printout of the package insert, which contains the side effects.
http://members.tripod.com/~UrsulaKelly/steroids.htm
Will try to find the other one I had in mind.
Also, get the name of the medication, then go to the drug store and ask for a printout of the package insert, which contains the side effects.
http://members.tripod.com/~UrsulaKelly/steroids.htm
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What are the names of the diuretics?
When was he on them? at birth for 10 days?
Usually antacids are calcium based and can promote some bone growth..
A preemie baby because it hasn't gone full term has more than a 35% chance of having a deficiency in calcium.
The problem is self-resolving because eventually the body will get enough calcium thru formula or mothers milk to make the bones as strong as they're supposed to be.
But preemies sometimes are given other medicines that reduce the absorption of calcium.
Was there any bruising?
Bruising is an indication of trauma, shock to the body, which would occur if excessive force was used to break the bone.
No bruising shows the fractures occurred without injury to the underlying soft tissue... No trauma, no shock to the body... no excessive force.
Do you have a paper trail of doctors visits since birth to show there was never any logged accusations of excessive bruising in the past.
For all of these fractures to come from excessive force, there had to be bruising..........
When was he on them? at birth for 10 days?
Usually antacids are calcium based and can promote some bone growth..
A preemie baby because it hasn't gone full term has more than a 35% chance of having a deficiency in calcium.
The problem is self-resolving because eventually the body will get enough calcium thru formula or mothers milk to make the bones as strong as they're supposed to be.
But preemies sometimes are given other medicines that reduce the absorption of calcium.
On June 24th we took our 6 month old son to the ER because his right leg was swollen and he wasn't moving it
Was there any bruising?
Bruising is an indication of trauma, shock to the body, which would occur if excessive force was used to break the bone.
No bruising shows the fractures occurred without injury to the underlying soft tissue... No trauma, no shock to the body... no excessive force.
Do you have a paper trail of doctors visits since birth to show there was never any logged accusations of excessive bruising in the past.
For all of these fractures to come from excessive force, there had to be bruising..........
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Harlan Carroll
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Get another opinion from another doctor. Maybe a bone specialist not contracted by CPS. Let's be honest, CPS isn't going to shell out for than they want to, and they're already going to look at you like the source of the problem. So you're going to have to prove your innocence, since CPS isn't going to go out of their way to do so.
And actually, you should get a lawyer if you haven't already.
And actually, you should get a lawyer if you haven't already.
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splizzrinkle
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Brute Force!
http://members.familyrights.us/oregon/index.html
I do believe I have found the answer. I have personally seen my solution work over and over again for other causes, but no one has ever attempted this for our cause. The answer is "BRUTE FORCE"!
It is the only way anything will ever change. I am getting closer to this day of Brute force every min.
In the next few months 5000+ people will show up on PENN AVE. in DC with one thing in mind, "Making our voices heard", and many will probably end up in trouble, but for a cause that is more important than any other, "OUR CHILDREN". This is not some dream, or something that "may happen". I have been working day and night, 40+ hours a week for months now making sure this happens. I have 2,301 people backing me 100%, and the numbers are growing fast. How will this change anything? When 100 people show up on PENN. Ave. for any reason (such as the 80+ truck drivers in 2001), every news paper and TV news crew comes running.
When pictures of this many people go flashing in front of our congressmen, something always changes "ALWAYS". Look at the history. Here's a wonderful example >
http://photo2.si.edu/mmm/mmm.html
The changes that came from that rally were outstanding! And must I mention, they had no where near a million people. Here's another example >
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,19 ... 09,00.html
Remember when the 2000+ New York City Trans. workers hit the streets for 6 days? They won, the people who write the checks lost.
Heather Walden
Hillsboro, Oregon
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I am a coordinator for NWAETCF.Org. Our family is also going through a problem with DHS and we have given help to many others. Growing up in the welfare system when I was a child, made me wary of DHS to begin with. We need to rally everyone up, don't be afraid of DHS! Don't be afraid of retaliation! DON'T let them ABUSE you! They already have your kids! THE MORE noise you make the MORE they are seen for what they are! Liars, thieves, hateful cold hearted, right violating workers! They do it because they KNOW they can get away with it. We have to stop this NOW! DHS has to stop what they are doing, and REALLY do what is in the best interest of the children! Take away the TRULY abused if you need to protect them, STOP taking children who are NOT abused!
I do believe I have found the answer. I have personally seen my solution work over and over again for other causes, but no one has ever attempted this for our cause. The answer is "BRUTE FORCE"!
It is the only way anything will ever change. I am getting closer to this day of Brute force every min.
In the next few months 5000+ people will show up on PENN AVE. in DC with one thing in mind, "Making our voices heard", and many will probably end up in trouble, but for a cause that is more important than any other, "OUR CHILDREN". This is not some dream, or something that "may happen". I have been working day and night, 40+ hours a week for months now making sure this happens. I have 2,301 people backing me 100%, and the numbers are growing fast. How will this change anything? When 100 people show up on PENN. Ave. for any reason (such as the 80+ truck drivers in 2001), every news paper and TV news crew comes running.
When pictures of this many people go flashing in front of our congressmen, something always changes "ALWAYS". Look at the history. Here's a wonderful example >
http://photo2.si.edu/mmm/mmm.html
The changes that came from that rally were outstanding! And must I mention, they had no where near a million people. Here's another example >
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,19 ... 09,00.html
Remember when the 2000+ New York City Trans. workers hit the streets for 6 days? They won, the people who write the checks lost.
Heather Walden
Hillsboro, Oregon
[email protected]
comments
I am a coordinator for NWAETCF.Org. Our family is also going through a problem with DHS and we have given help to many others. Growing up in the welfare system when I was a child, made me wary of DHS to begin with. We need to rally everyone up, don't be afraid of DHS! Don't be afraid of retaliation! DON'T let them ABUSE you! They already have your kids! THE MORE noise you make the MORE they are seen for what they are! Liars, thieves, hateful cold hearted, right violating workers! They do it because they KNOW they can get away with it. We have to stop this NOW! DHS has to stop what they are doing, and REALLY do what is in the best interest of the children! Take away the TRULY abused if you need to protect them, STOP taking children who are NOT abused!
Joshua Bartholow
I have posted more information in the medical section.
The court opinions will give you leads on more things to look for.
Also, some other very good articles and information.
http://fightcps.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=30177#30177
The court opinions will give you leads on more things to look for.
Also, some other very good articles and information.
http://fightcps.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=30177#30177
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splizzrinkle
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After all you hard work..
When you find nothing you do seems to work, which I sure hope it does. Refere back to my post above.
Joshua Bartholow
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Fighting4Kaden
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Diuretics
Our son was put on two different diuretics after he was in the hospital for respiratory distress. He is on Chlorathiazide and Spirolactone. He was also on Prednisodone for 10 days after being in the hospital for what they thought was a viral infection.
I want to get my baby back!
Your going to have to do a lot of the leg work yourself for your case.
Go in and get a copy of your childs complete medical file.
Talk to his pediatrician, getting a notorized statement or ask if he will be a witness.
ER doctors are trained to look for abuse in every child patient, your pediatrician's word would carry more weight then a ER doctors because he has seen him through out his life.
Go in and get a copy of your childs complete medical file.
Talk to his pediatrician, getting a notorized statement or ask if he will be a witness.
ER doctors are trained to look for abuse in every child patient, your pediatrician's word would carry more weight then a ER doctors because he has seen him through out his life.
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Fighting4Kaden
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He was in the hospital for the "viral infection" over Mother's Day weekend
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Fighting4Kaden
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We have already gotten all of his medical records from the hospital where he was born and spent one of his hospital stays! We still need to get his records from his doctor here and the hospital here! We are having all of his records sent to a Dr. in Utah who is a neonatologist and has done research on preemies and thier bones
I want to get my baby back!
http://www.surgeongeneral.gov/library/b ... teoporosis
Glucocorticoid-Induced Osteoporosis (GIO).
The most rapid bone loss occurs early in the course of treatment, and even small doses (equivalent to 2.5–7.5 mg prednisone per day) are associated with an increase in fractures
Glucocorticoid-Induced Osteoporosis (GIO).
The most rapid bone loss occurs early in the course of treatment, and even small doses (equivalent to 2.5–7.5 mg prednisone per day) are associated with an increase in fractures
side effects of prednisolone
Side effects of prednisolone
Prednisolone and fractures
http://216.109.125.130/search/cache?p=f ... 1&.intl=us
medrol bone fractures infants
http://216.109.125.130/search/cache?p=m ... 1&.intl=us
adrenal suppression occurs if Prednisone is taken for longer that seven days
http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/prednisone
Prednisolone
duration of treatment
http://216.109.125.130/search/cache?p=p ... 1&.intl=us
http://216.109.125.130/search/cache?p=p ... 1&.intl=us
http://216.109.125.130/search/cache?p=p ... 1&.intl=us
It is well established that the use of glucocorticoids is associated with rapid bone loss during the first 3 months of therapy, thereafter the rate of loss slows somewhat
http://66.218.69.11/search/cache?p=infa ... 1&.intl=us
rapid bone loss
http://www.dcmsonline.org/jax-medicine/ ... ortico.htm
rapid loss in bond mass density
http://66.218.69.11/search/cache?p=pred ... 1&.intl=us
emedicine osteoporosis
http://66.218.69.11/search/cache?p=cort ... 1&.intl=us
Clinical study
http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct/gui/show/N ... 9?order=17
There is no data on what is the most appropriate dose of prednisone (or equivalent) in this situation. (asthma)
Prednisolone and fractures
http://216.109.125.130/search/cache?p=f ... 1&.intl=us
medrol bone fractures infants
http://216.109.125.130/search/cache?p=m ... 1&.intl=us
adrenal suppression occurs if Prednisone is taken for longer that seven days
http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/prednisone
Prednisolone
duration of treatment
http://216.109.125.130/search/cache?p=p ... 1&.intl=us
http://216.109.125.130/search/cache?p=p ... 1&.intl=us
http://216.109.125.130/search/cache?p=p ... 1&.intl=us
It is well established that the use of glucocorticoids is associated with rapid bone loss during the first 3 months of therapy, thereafter the rate of loss slows somewhat
http://66.218.69.11/search/cache?p=infa ... 1&.intl=us
rapid bone loss
http://www.dcmsonline.org/jax-medicine/ ... ortico.htm
rapid loss in bond mass density
http://66.218.69.11/search/cache?p=pred ... 1&.intl=us
emedicine osteoporosis
http://66.218.69.11/search/cache?p=cort ... 1&.intl=us
Clinical study
http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct/gui/show/N ... 9?order=17
There is no data on what is the most appropriate dose of prednisone (or equivalent) in this situation. (asthma)
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Fighting4Kaden
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Viral infection
My son was started on what they called a "steroid burst" for what they thought to be a viral infection. My son was 14 weeks premature and has Chronic Lung disease. At the hospital where they found all the fractures they said they didn't think he was on the steroids long enough for them to cause bone loss. But he was also on diuretics which can also cause bone loss! Plus the fact tat he was a preemie, add it all together and what do you get?
I want to get my baby back!
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Fighting4Kaden
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Relative Placement
Anyone know anything about family placement? They say taht they are wokring on getting kaden into family placement, but they seem to find a problem with the people we gave them. They just seem to be making everything more and more complicated!
I want to get my baby back!
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