They came and took my children.....

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jackiew75
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They came and took my children.....

Postby jackiew75 » Sat Dec 16, 2006 7:34 am

After nearly a year of this criminal investigation that has gone nowhere, DHS in NH came into my home and took out 2 year old. They went to the school and took my 6 year old. They still have no intentions on arresting my husband.

This was done as an ex parte petition for the state of OR and we have court on the 20th for a preliminary hearing. Both my husband and I have hired attorneys.

I feel like I died inside. I cant think clearly, I am devastated. All this right before Christmas. I cant imagine how the chidren are feeling.... like we somehow just left them. Nights are the worst.... I just stare at their beds where they should be sleeping and it is just empty.

We havent even hit 48 hours of them being gone and I dont know how I am going to get through this..... :(

anxiousmom
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Postby anxiousmom » Sat Dec 16, 2006 8:13 am

I am so sorry for what you are going through!

It is so sad that they took them right before Christmas!

You just have to get them back ASAP & you will have many more Christmas' with them!

What were the criminal allegations about?

When did this all start?

I'm surprised that they hadn't had your husb. leave the home a long time ago & you & the kids stay in the house.

I know you are hurting.

Spend this time getting ready for court!

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Postby Marina » Sat Dec 16, 2006 10:29 am

Oh, I feel so bad for you. Just keep praying over and over for Mercy.

I feel compelled to tell the Pineapple Story here. A missionary went to live on an island in Southeast Asia, and he planted pineapples. They take a fairly long time to grow. When they were ripe, the natives picked them and he became upset. This happened for several years.

Finally, the missionary said, Well God, I nurtured the pineapples, but I don't have them. I may as well give them to You, as I don't seem to be able to have them for myself anyway. I dedicate these pineapples to God.

The next season, the natives picked the pineapples, and the missionaries didn't get upset. The natives wondered why, and he said, they are not my pineapples. The natives asked who the pineapples belonged to. He said they belonged to God.

The natives were overjoyed for one reason. They said, The missionary has become a Christian! He finally showed Christian behavior.

But for another reason, they were terrified. They had stolen pineapples from God. They may not have believed in missionaries, but they believed in God, and were afraid of His wrath. I think the story goes that the natives gave all the pineapples back, and let the missionary decide who to share them with.

Whatever is done to children, is done to God. Pray over and over that God will take care of them, somehow. That is the only way I can cope with those horrible thoughts. In times of extreme stress, it is a known fact that people start to float, and God somehow leads you through the day, and it is very frightening to not be in control. Just keep saying, God is in control. I pray for the caseworkers, the judges, the lawyers, the foster parents, and gives us mercy.

florida999
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Postby florida999 » Sat Dec 16, 2006 12:11 pm

they probably wont arrest your husband either, its sad really....in criminal court you innocent until proven guilty...with cps they can just decide you are, without any real proof, rip your family apart, and there is really nothing you can do to stop them. this country is sick. they will take children from thier family, which is probably the most abuseful thing you can do to a child, most of the time because a young, inexperinced investigator on a power trip has a "feeling".

ldsmama5
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Postby ldsmama5 » Sat Dec 16, 2006 2:27 pm

When I talked to a lawyer in Oregon when they started snooping in on my family he said run as fast as you can because they do this stuff. So we did. I hope that this can be put to rest soon and your children will be home soon. I don't know much about you case but Our family is praying for the best for you.

momagain
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Postby momagain » Sat Dec 16, 2006 4:22 pm

My heart breaks for the kids and for you...can you leave your husband to at least get the kids back? Do you have family they can go with? I'm sorry :(

jackiew75
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Postby jackiew75 » Sat Dec 16, 2006 5:28 pm

I dont hardly have the strength to type this let alone my story. Maybe its in an archive somewhere....

They have no desire to arrest my husband. There is no more the investigators can do. All of the DNA tests are back which are inconclusive and our daughter (and son) are doing wonderful, until this.

I was told, through my sister, who had a conversation with the social worker, "Jackie needs to leave her husband, move out on her own, do all sorts of counseling to prove that she can take proper care of her children". Right now we are living with my husbands grandfather for emotional and financial reasons. How can they insist that I move out on my own? Is this just a ploy to seperate me from family? Make me live without my children and struggle financially? All this without any proof that he even did anything! I am not here to defend my husband, I am here to get my babies back......

We have court next Wed.... 5 days before Christmas. We both have hired very aggressive attorneys to atleast get these children home with me, where they belong. The criminal portion will have to be fought later.

I also get to have a supervised visit with the little ones on Tuesday. I suspect that it so they can video tape it and then try to use it against me in court the following day. When I made the appointment with the social worker, she asked if her and I could meet and talk and I told her under no condition was I to have ANY conversation with her, per my attorney. She became upset, and said "Well if I cant talk to you per your attorney, then I cant discuss this case with you!". I wasnt even sure I was having an adult conversation at that point.... she was too busy munching on something on her cell phone during our conversation....... how proffesional........

I just feel so immensely depressed. I am NEVER away from my children and I feel so empty inside without them here. I just want to touch them, hold them and keep them safe and I cant right now. I mean what the heck do they tell these children when they abscond them from their parents? What am I supposed to say to then when I see them....... "Sorry I never picked you up from school, I had a bad day..."? To my son, "Sorry someone came in and stole you while you were sleeping, I still love you..."? My heart is breaking over these amazing and beautiful children. I have nobody to talk to because, thank God, none of my friends with children have ever experienced something like this. Tell me, somebody, when does some of this hurt become replaced with strength......

jackiew75
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Posotive only please... Preliminary hearing question....

Postby jackiew75 » Sat Dec 16, 2006 5:59 pm

I should also ask, has anyone had any POSOTIVE experiences in court during the preliminary hearing? Were the kids returned to the home?

florida999
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Postby florida999 » Sat Dec 16, 2006 7:37 pm

I didnt get my children back at the first hearing, but I did get unsupervized visitation, as did my husband. actually each hearing we went to got better and better for us, the judge pretty much ruled in our favor every time, and my case was over pretty quickly form what I have read here....my children were gone for three months, most of the people here have fought much much longer. the biggest problem that I had was how long it was between court hearings. our next hearing was like 6 weeks after our initial hearing. your could get in front of a judge quicker to fight a speeding ticket, seriously. this being said, we did not have sexual allegations against us, so I dont know how things will go for you. I do know that sex allegations are the hardest to disprove. basically cps has made up thier mind about your husband, they think he did it, and nothig will change thier opinion on that. hopefully you will get a good judge. his opinion is what trully matters. I havent really read up on your situation, but do they have any evidence at all? do you think it is possible that he did do what he is accused of? i know you dont want to think that, but you kinda have to look at the whole picture in these kind of situations, but if your gut says he is innocent, then I would stick with him. and yes, for some reason they try to get the wife to leave the husband, tried in my case to, they took my kids becuase I wouldnt, and there were timesduring the ordeal that I thought to myself the only way out of this was to leave him. but hes a great father, and him nor my children deserved to have some outside agency dictate their relationship, and it worked out in the end. if you love him, and you know in your heart he is innocent, stick together, fight together. good luck

jackiew75
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Postby jackiew75 » Sat Dec 16, 2006 9:12 pm

I have to say to everyone that right now, this very moment in time, I am working on getting my children back. My husbands/our battle with law enforcement is second. That being said, here is what I know they have or have told me that they have....

They tried to do DNA testing on the sperm (2) found in our daughters urine. Inconclusive. The results were back in May. They did a rape kit on her the day she went in and found no evidence of sex abuse. The following week they interviewed her again and she said nothing but "I love my dad and nobody has ever touched me". They pulled two raids on our home last January.... took computer, clothing, bedding, pictures and the police told me that they found child porn. Porn being a picture of our 1 year old in the bath and out daughter at age three in the woods with fairy wings playing (NO GENITAL SHOTS). I bring the children back to NH and send her to see a psychotherapist feels after many months of weekly visits (and after meeting my husband who just moved home... he didnt see his children for nearly 6 months) that our daughter is safe to be around my husband and myself. This therapist works for a state run agency here in NH. So there is the evidence.....

Now the ex parte petition that we were served with when they stole my children states ALL LIES! DHS in Oregon stated that they had a sheriff serve me papers to appear in court AFTER I had already left the state. They said that I "absconded" the children and they didnt know where I went when I told them where I was going AND the day that my husband went to court, he told the judge.... another lie! DHS in Oregon also stated that nobody, my husband or myself showed up for the court hearing when infact our lawyer, my husband and his grandfather all attended and the judge threw it out of court because I had already left the state. And I have to go to court on Wed. and fight these allegations but since this is family court, hearsay is fine and all the evidence that DHS needs.

I feel like I am going crazy! Shame on these people for telling such lies.... and I lost my children over them. I just hope that the judge looks at all of this and tells them to give me the children!

To answer your question florida999..... I know there are women out there that would defend their spouse knowing that they are sexually abusive........ I could not possibly make this more clear.... not only in my heart or gut do I know he didnt do it, my mind tells me the same thing. I have spent the last year fighting this battle and if I thought for one ounce of a nano-second that he did or could do this.... his ass would be out the door. My kids come before anything else. That is why he has moved out of the home AGAIN so that we can show the courts that the children come first. Please dont take that as jumping on you but I need to make myself very clear when I tell you he is innocent and that he is no danger to his children. This is so frustrating because this investigation has been going on for a year and look at where we are... still no indictment or arrest. No contact with the DA or police... no nothing and now all of this right before Christmas.

momomma
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Postby momomma » Sun Dec 17, 2006 5:32 pm

They tried to do DNA testing on the sperm (2) found in our daughters urine.


Do you have any idea where the sperm in the urine came from?

florida999
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Postby florida999 » Sun Dec 17, 2006 6:57 pm

i know what you mean about the report being filled with lies, and trust me the final report that you get at court wont be any better. ours was either statements out of context, pertinent (or positive) info missing, or an out and out lie. for example. our report said "husband in the house on such and such a date in violation of no contact order". no where did it say why he was in the house (to change hot water heater) the fact that I contacted the worker and told her would be doing it, or that my children were not in the house when he did it. and you cant defend yourself at all at the inital hearing, all the judge decides is if there was probable cause or not, you defend yourself later, much later. I was in no way accusing your husband, quite the contrary. I hope you were not offended by my previous statement, i certainly didnt mean for it to be. I just want to prepare you for the initial hearing so you dont get your hopes up, I was all gung ho, had done all this research, and in reality It didnt mean a thing, i didnt even get to talk.

jackiew75
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Postby jackiew75 » Mon Dec 18, 2006 6:34 am

We dont know where the sperm came from. Our daughter had been playing at the neighbors house the day before for several hours and the police refused to talk to the neighbors ex or current boyfriend. Our daughter also attended at magnet school K-8. When I spoke with school officials, they were surprised that the police never went and talked with them. There is also another possible explanation but I really cant discuss this because it involved a minor. Maybe the lab made a huge mistake. I mean think about it.... ONE dead sperm in a urine sample, then a second urine sample has the same result but when they do a rape exam they find NOTHING..... no sperm or signs of trauma. It does not make any sense..

florida999... I did not take offense to your comment. I was just trying to get my point across. I understand why you asked me that question.

I am prepared to go to court. I meet with my attorney today and hopefully he will give me more insight. From what I have been told, the judge who is hearing this case is very fair.


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