falsely accused and need advise

[layla]

The police Said that they have no evidence the one's working with the department, only chat logs ect but if it we're posted yes defintly the writing of the v 'person'


today the forensic police
when they took the prints this time they said the break in was a personal attack and that the 'person' used gloves they knew what they we're doing and the photo is being treated as SERIOUS so we have to give statements in 2 hours time and see how we go...






He has used our computer to make threats in the past yes(just we never did anything about it and his comments said such things like i'll make sure the kids never come home and stay off the computer haha and now the break and enter)

.. just never done something so serious before and the photo the police we're shocked... said it's a personal attack for sure and think 'its the person' cause the comments on the photo was what was said in person to us,




yes he has been into the mental hospital before on many occassion's and is on all kinds of medication, i have told the police,


Do you think that this will make it easier with the department??

Police said it will i am talking with them monday,

but when the police came out for the break and enter she asked was i the one that has laid the charges against 'person' for child molestation and i was shocked and said no why?? they said i'am sorry i can't say anything more....

Layla

[Greegor]

With your 'father''s behavior like this in the past,
why did it take you so long to figure out this is him?

Mentally ill relatives can be a huge problem when
dealing with Child Protection.

When some psycho relative threatens/stalks, comments about using Child Protection against you, etc. you need to take it
seriously and don't wait for them to do this.

You said He assaulted your husband in your home
in violation of a DVO (That's a restraining order from court right?)
You MUST press charges for that assault!
Have you?

As far as I can see from your story, this attack,
breaking and entering vandalism and the
computer ID fraud are all him.

Don't the Police and the Social Services people
get this yet?

By the way, there ARE ways on the internet
to FAKE the IP addresses and anonymous remailers.

But the angry swearing, stalking, threatening
mental case relative is an obvious suspect.

[jackiew75]

Dont know how it is done in Australia, but you need to have your lawyer file a motion for discovery relating to your computers hardrive.

If your lawyer can get the judge to open his eyes to the fact that internet related crimes due to hacking is becoming an epidemic, he may rule in your favor. I cant stress how important this is. It is so true that people can jump on your computer and "ride" at YOUR and YOUR children's expense. This is how a lot of pedophiles get around being caught for their deviant behavior. They dont want that crap on their computer, so they find a neighbor, friend, co-worker or worse yet, a family member to attach their garbage too.

If the judge will rule in your favor for this hardrive, you need to have your attorney hire, as expensive as it may be, a forensic computer specialist that will be able to go through that computer more completely than the states crime lab. Crime labs are notorius for siding with the police departments assumptions. They fail to do their jobs because back logs, low pay in some cases and again, siding with the "good guys".

[Marina]

I had posted some time ago some information about the right of defendants to know how a "test" works. The article related to breathalyzers. According to my research, the older models scanned only one frequency range, which resulted in positive readings for just about anything, such as mouthwash and diabetes.

The newer models, which are authorized only in some states, test for 2 frequency ranges, making the test more accurate. The specific model approved for state use is listed in Virginia's state code, which happens to be an older model.

A court ruled recently that the defendant has a right to discovery on how the test works. The state didn't have the technical information from the manufacturer, which is a trade secret, so the defendant couldn't get it either. Therefore, a breathalyzer alone will not hold up in court. The alcohol counselor for my friend told her that results from the breathalyzer used at the clinic cannot be used in court, but only as a screening for a urine test. She also told her that it gives a false positive for Albuterol, which my friend takes for her inhaler or something like that.

The psychological tests are also used incorrectly for forensic purposes, for which they have never been tested. Psychological tests should only be used for treatment, where the treatment can be adjusted to correspond to the updated diagnosis. A positive result for anxiety should be used to determine which type of counseling or medication to give a parent, not to determine if the parent is unfit.

Same thing with psychosexual tests. An electronic psychosexual test should not be used to determine guilt, it should be used to determine treatment. There has never been any double blind study to test whether a psychosexual test is capable of determining guilt.

So discovery of how a test works is a must.

[layla]

Hi thanks for all the information...

Update is on Thursday we have to have a THOROUGH pysc evaluation same doctor that we had in the past case though..

We told the department about the 'person' and was said 'does this person have access to our computer'


We told them the police doing the investergation....

and our lawyer with police prosocution is trying too match up this 'person' is responsible for the internet problems.

But so far department are still holding us responisble...


we have a meeting wednesday at 3pm with our lawyer and i'll ask him about that hard drive being anaylized privatly if they agree will text that was written on forum show up?? that's what they are using.....

we put in statement to the police what this person said when he was abusing us such statments were

'do you like what i done to you and your kids an i'll make sure you never get them back'

'haha maybe stay off the computer'

'you are both going down and i'll make sure of it'


on thursday it is the pysc evaluation only me and my husband suppose to be the doctor and 2 department officer's and a 4th person present for the evaluation... and then when we have a contact visit they will be watching us through a window...

and mum rang about unsupervised and said she will be processing that mum and dad get upsupervised and said that are the next 4 week order they will either come home or go to mum's
I don't believe this at all.....

At the meeting who could be the 4th person??
Is there anyway we should talk in the meeting

Last time i didn't cry and show emotion i got a bad report not crying ect i mean why would i too a stranger?

I am so scared of this meeting what could happen....

any tips welcome please....

Why won't they believe or want to know about the said 'person'?

I am afraid they will take a protection order out when we ARE NOT GUILTY....

Solictor said we won't agree to protection order but i'am still scared when we didn't do anything wrong.

What kind of Question will they ask in the allergation against us??

This person caused trouble for us in the past on our computer's
And me and hubby went to court against him and now he after us again for some reason... we had a assult and now break and enter with photo stabbed through the wall what else can i do it like i am bashin my head against the wall and no one liserning...

What else can happen

If the pysc evalauation come back not so good do we have a right to get a second opinion from our own private evaluation?

ON wednesday we are going to do statment against this person with police prosectuers and hopefully charged with ebay fraud in march... if it does prove him guilty will this help our department case?


Thanks for liserning

Layla

[Marina]

The counselors write you up for

being too emotional

and

being unemotional.

You have a problem, no matter what, so they can collect insurance for the diagnosis and treatment.

I would stick with the "unemotional."

[Frustrated]

4th Person could be CPS Worker observing the evaluation. It could very well be the Prosecutor Lawyer to collect evidence. It could have been anybody.
They are mostly biased against you. Trying to make a Case against you.
If I were you, I would bring my Lawyer to this evaulation so there would be no tricky questions coming up.
Psch. Evaulation has almost up to 500 questions and alot of Tricky questions including sexual questions. Sometimes they will give you ink blot tests and want you to see something "sexual" about ink blot tests. They are no good.

You are BETTER OFF getting a Private Doctor doing your own tests so it can differ the OPINION from THEIRS. BECAUSE THEIRS ARE BIASED ONE SIDED TEST RESULTS AND ALMOST NOTHING GOOD COMES OUT OF IT. You are better off so it will tip the percentage off their results. Beware of TRICKY QUESTIONS.

They will ASK repetitive Questions that is almost the same as previous questions, just different wordings. These Questions are to try to confuse the Client so they can establish if you are straight/sane or insane.
Just remain calm, think, and think rational. Do not over react if they ask you horrible sexual questions. Just be subjective, but not overly objective but CONCERNED.

I agree with unemotional with Marina. because they tend to over do it if you are emotional. They will say you are mental unstable if you are crying or whatever. But if you not crying, they will say something else. Where is the middle ground if anything at all? I think they are crazy nuts. Because EVERYONE IS DIFFERENT WITH EMOTIONS.

Of course, I don't cry in front of Strangers. Who wouldn't? BUT if your Children is gone, it is NATURAL TO CRY AND BE CONCERNED. They are crazy to even think you are over crying over spilled milk? It is NATURAL FEELING!~

I would not bother on "Why's" they are calling you emotional or unemtional. I would FOCUS on getting the Children back home. That is the MAIN THING.

[layla]

Hi again,

Thanks for all the advise I will try being unemotional but I don’t know if that will work as it is really upsetting with allegation placed on us and NOT BEING GUILTY
It will most likely upset me I mean they took my kids and our life is turned upside down

I hope they don’t ask anything sexual that is a invasion of our privacy and we have never spoken about sex to a stranger ever,

Iam really worried with getting this pysc evaluation as this lady isn’t local she is the one that did our last pysc evaluation and gave me bad report saying I talked to much iam not very bright?? Who needs to be clever to be a parent?!! I tried convincing her I was telling the truth she is a very rude woman, iam really worried having her actually she made recommendation that I serve a 2 year protective order and that’s what the department did, 2 years, I cant do that not again not on false claims,. If I did what iam accused of fair enough but I haven’t did anything wrong at all.. And this lady is 4 hours away and there are many locals closer and cheaper they get her cause she rules in their favour……


Tomorrow is the meeting for pysc evaluation at 12pm and then family profiling can department officer be present in the evaluation I know last time they tricked me up with the question and properly won’t pass it at all but that doesn’t make me a bad parent.

Iam not really happy about this as department said no for our private evaluation,

But we will see iam going to ring and see how much..


all i want is the kids home
Layla

[layla]

just rang the guy that gave my last report, he cost $260 first visit and $200 for report each so we will have to wait 2 or 4 weeks which we can't don't have the money just yet maybe in 4 weeks hope so,,, order is being extended on the 12th feb for another 4 weeks as they need to further investergate..


Layla

[Frustrated]

You need to get a different private Evaluator. Get your own Psch. Doctor through the Family Doctor Referral. They can't tell anyone because it breaches Doctor to Patient Confidentiality.

Do this privately and don't tell them, don't tell CPS and the Detectives. Your own Private Reports could save your Lives and your Children's Lives. I am deadly serious. Because if your Reports DIFFERS from THEIRS, then the whole thing will be in question. It will tip the balance.

If you only get ONE SIDED Evaluation, BIASED and CPS BIASED, you are screwed. You need another opinion that would differ from their Results. It will SAVE your BUTT!

Just get your own Report and hold on to it, and if they give you a Bad Report, then you go to Court, telling the Judge "Wait a minute, we got our own reports that differs from their Opinions." Then the Judge will question those results.

Make sure you get a Good one, the one that does not work for CPS. Ask your Family Doctor if you can get yourself Evaluated from a Psch. Doctor. Don't tell them that it is CPS Related Case. Because they will automatically Biased against you. Do it Privately.
Your own Private Reports will save your Family.

I don't know about Medical Health Coverage if this Psch. Evaluation is Covered by the Government, I am not sure. You need to find out if it is covered by your Health Coverage.

I got one my own, and it blows the CPS' Reports RIGHT Out of the Water!!

[layla]

Hi there

We had our visit with the pysc evaluation lady,

Everything went okay I think … we wont know until the results come back though,

Only 2 questions in the personality test such as ‘have you got a lower sex drive than normal people’ and ‘are you current needs and desires met’

And also asked silly question like ‘have you flown over the Atlantic 30 times’

‘do you mix socially’ ‘are you depressed’ ‘do you think of suicide’ ‘do you see things in you dreams from the past’ ‘do you see people when you awake as well when asleep that aren’t really there’ ‘do you flirt with the other sex’ ‘do you take drugs’ ‘do you drink’

and a stress test as well but all seemed okay it went for three hours and asked all same questions on same test asked different ways, then family profiled us inside our visit with us and seemed fine and isn’t even going to bother coming to checking the house out at all?

And asked me how I feel after my family being torn apart after we we’re back together and fine I broke down but controlled it, and told nothing but truth and I feel it went okay if didn’t I know soon enough from the department wont we? But she said okay and she will mark and let the department know and said all seems okay we’ll see though I guess all the question were asked the same in a different way though,


She said the pysc evaluator’s don’t use this test no more but she does as she marks it manually and not on the computer anymore

So I hope it is good really and said the kids look happy and visit was fine and were great kids drew us cards ect so lets hope for good news!!


But I did ring the kids school teacher’s for reports and doctors for medical records and also our local gp for a referral to our private evaluator as well..

also spoke to our lawyer and handed in our statment against the 'person' and said to do the test properly which we did.

Layla

[Marina]

If she used a psych evaluation that is not a currently accepted Standard, then that is a violation of their practice. You also need for your legal representative to get "discovery" about how the test works. It probably doesn't work, that is why it is obsolete. The insurance shouldn't pay for it if it is not good practice.

Note that there are tests for diagnosis and tests for treatment. Are you being diagnosed or treated? If the test is for diagnosis, and it is not standard, then it can be challenged. If the test is designed for treatment, but is being used for diagnosis or fact-finding for court, then that is a misuse of the test.

[layla]

i don't know what the test is being used for the department stated
'you need a through pysicatric assessment' and if it is fine that both you and your husband may have the kids come home or in the ipa program; intevention in parental agreement

but if there is a 'risk' they will file for a protection order though..

and they will file for another 4 week assessment order, order runs out on the feb 12 will they go to court for the extention do we need to attend will we be notified?

but as far as i was told no threatment or dignosis as she done a stress test and personality testing that is it?

Layla

[Frustrated]

That sounds familiar.

It is coming from CPS Worker saying the very much same thing....

"If you do the Service Plan, maybe you will get the Kids back home." (maybe NOT)

That is a red flag right there, meaning you won't get the Kids back home if they find something...

It happened to other Parents, having to jump so many hoops and loopholes, for a long time, some went through up to One year. Some 9 months...

And CPS saying you never completed the Service Plan which you did....
Be sure you get a documented proof that you had taken the test.
Assessment Psch. testing and Stress Test, are part of the Service Plan. It is every List that CPS can imagine.

There will be more Lists for you to take and coming up.

Did you sign any Service Plans?
If I were you, I would run this Plan with your Lawyer to make sure there are no tricks or turns that binds you in forever with them. Have your Lawyer read them over and see if it is okay. and have him copy it for his Files. with intitials of his, so CPS Worker knows that your Lawyer had read it.
Do not sign on your own and do not be threatened or compelled to sign just to have your Kids back home. It is a Trick!

[layla]

Hello just update we're we are and a bit of about my case's!

I though i would add REPLY to those who are dealing with dept of child safety

I Have been involved with dept of child safety since 2004, it all started when someone started harrassing me and the police said no one was there it was me i was the 'culpret' so they removed the children for there safety and took out a child protection order for 2 years and i had a crap lawyer which said just sign it will be easier, so we did and in the mean time i fell pregnant to my husband with our daughter soon after we got married we we're refered to reunifcation service which was completed postivley and we were sucessful in getting the children home and we had regular visits from dept of child safety that closed the case.

then on 5th january 2007 the child protection QLD and QLD child protection police turned up with a warrant of me knownling possessing child explotation on my computer i was deverstated as worked so well with the dept in the past! and they took dvd's digital camera and computers they removed the children on RISK OF sexual harm , mental harm, phscological, emotinal harm what a load of crap they have filed for another 2 year child protection guardianship order with NO EVIDENCE our lawyer is contesting the order we go back to court on may 29 th to a court ordered confrence as we are contesting as there is no evedince of harm and if they don't give us the children back on a supervision order or something our lawyer is taking it to trial where we will win! as the only soultion is to return the children!!

we have lost time an moment because of a false allergation made by someone in sydney that doesnt' even know us! ( FROM A INTERNET FORUM REGO DETAILS REGISTERED TO ME AS I SUPPOUSLY WENT ON TO A FORUM AND ADMITTED TO THE FORUM IAM INTO CHILD PORN I STILL HAVENT SEEN COPIES OF CHAT LOGS)
THE POLICE HAVEN'T CHARGED US AS THERE IS NO PORN OR EVIDENCE POLICE CLAIM THEY STRONGLY BELIEVE WE'RE GUILTY WHY ARN'T WE CHARGED!!!!! COP's COULDNT DO A JOB RIGHT IF THEY TRYED TOO! SEEM WE WENT TO THEM AND COMPLAINED ABOUT BREAK-INS AND TURNED IT AROUND ON US AGAIN!!

they claim they need to take the order out because the RISK OF is too significant
they police claim they have comp analyed by may 2!! NO EVIDENCE OBVISOULY THAT WHY THEY WON'T TELL US ANYTHING
WE HAVE A FAMILY COURT ORDERED MEETING ON MAY 28TH 2PM WILL UPDATE WHAT CASE PLAN IS AS OUR LAWYER SAID THEY ONLY HAVING IT SO THEY DON'T GET INTO TROUBLE BY THE COURT HE SAID THE WHOLE CASE PLAN IS WASTE OF PAPER ITS WRITTEN ON CAUSE AS SOON AS WE GO TO THE COURT ORDERED CONFRENCE AND WE TRY TO COME TO AGREEMENT I;E 12 MONTH SUPERVISION OR SOMETHING. THEY WILL NEED ANOTHER CASE PLAN DRAWN UP,
IF THEY PERSUE THE ORDER AND WON'T AGREE TO CHILDREN COMING HOME WE HAVE TO GO TO TRIAL WHICH HE SAID WE WILL WIN BIG TIME AND THEY WILL BE SORRY. THE APLICATION WILL BE HEARD FURTHER ON JUNE 4TH,

SO MAY 28TH AND 29TH ARE THE NEXT DATES FOR US AND I'AM MISSING MY BABIES EVERYDAY MORE AND MORE IT HURTS SO MUCH AND I GET SO ANGRY THE ANGER I DIDN'T THINK I HAD!!

BUT OUR SOLICTOR IS THE BEST AND HE IS POSTIVE WE WILL WIN HE SAID WITH THE EVIDENCE THEY HAVE WE ARE LAUGHING


but still need the order why THERE WAS NEVER ANY CHILD PORNO ON MY COMPUTER!!! MAYBE THE DEPT ARE SICK MORONS THAT HAVE IT ON THERE COMPS AND THE COPS??? FUNNY THERE IS SO MANY CORRUPTION IN QLD OF LATE BEING CAUGHT....................................................... NEVER RING IPSWICH THEM FOOLS ARE LIKE THE MAFIA THEY ARE CORRUPT AS THEY COME DON'T TRUST DEPT WORKERS NO MATTER WHAT THEY TELL YOU THEY ARE THE DEVIL I HOPE AND PRAY THEY GO TO THE DEVIL AND SUFFER WHEN THEY TAKE GODS CHILDREN THEY WILL PAY ................ THEY ARE EXPLOITING OUR KIDS BY THERE WORK THEY WORK IN THE POSTION ALL BASED ON MONEY $$$$$$$$$$$$$ IS ALL THEY SEE!



I WILL UPDATE REGUARLY AS THE CASE GOES FORWARD JUST OVER 2 WEEKS AND ADVICE ON COURT ORDERED CONFRENCE WOULD BE NICE!

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