CPS on my back

[Whammo77]

First and foremost, I am thankful I found this website when I did. Very very helpful stuff here!

Anyway, to make a long story short, I left my ex wife back in 2001. Since that time, it has been one false accusation after another. I have had the police at my house on false claims of abandonment of my kids, I have been to court time after time after time for everything from claims of being an unfit father, to claims of me and my new wife having sex in front of our kids in the living room, to me supposedly having tried to choke my ex. I have also had one prior visit from CPS on claims of abandonement of my children. None of the charges have ever stuck simply because they weren't true.

Now, I have CPS on me AGAIN. This time my ex is trying to claim that I tried to suffocate my daughter. OUTRAGEOUS! She furthermore 'claims' that I am an alcoholic, I am abusive, etc etc. Basically, she's doing what she always does..... throw a ton of crap against the wall and hopes that something sticks.

So anyway, CPS comes out to visit me. The lady immediately starts accusing me of being an alcoholic and sayng "I know you are, I know you are!". Then she starts saying that I threw my daughter off of my front porch just before trying to choke her. Thing about that is, there is only one way off my porch, which is down the stairs, and at the bottom, about 5 ft below, is nothing but gravel. The lady keeps saying "That's not how you punish a child. That isn't proper parenting." etc etc. I told her, "Lady, it didn't happen!". To which she responded "I know it did, so why don't you just admit it?". I then asked her "Ok, if all this wild stuff took place, then show me one bruise, one scrape, one scratch, one ANYTHING that would point to the idea that ANY of this is true!" She replied, "You can throw a kid off a porch and them not get any of that". Oh really??????? How do you throw a kid off of a porch that is 5 ft higher than the landing below, not to mention that the kid would be landing in GRAVEL, and the kid walk away without so much as a scratch???? NOT POSSIBLE!!! So I told her.... "It isn't possible. So lets take the kid to a Dr and have her looked over. Plain and simple, there isn't a scratch on her so he's not going to find anything so therefore it isn't possible!". She simply said "I don't think a Dr. is necessary"....

Then, just as this site said, she starts trying to coerce me in to signing papers agreeing to go to 1) an alcoholics program, 2) An anger management program, 3) Family counseling, and 4) An alcoholic assessment program. I refused to sign any of it, so she started trying to bully me in to it. She never outright said that my kids would be taken away if I didn't, but she made it clear that it was "in my best interests". Yeah right. How is it in my best interests to go to counseling or any kind of program that is dealing with issues I DON'T HAVE??????????? Yeah, let's just please guilty to something we're not guilty of!!!

So when the meeting is all over with, she says she wants to look around my house. Yeah right! You aren't lookin anywhere! "Oh, so you're refusing to let me see your house???" Yep! This claim has nothing to do with my house. It's a false allegation of abuse and alcoholism, so there's no call to go snooping around my house. Furthermore, this lady is outright claiming I did this and that, and that she KNOWS I did it (when I didn't), and she thinks I'm going to let the witch hunt continue by snoopin and prowling through my house???????? I don't think so!!!!!!!! But according to her "It's standard practice ANYTIME we receive an allegation like this to go through the home and investigate the children's living conditions." Well, it isn't going to be standard in this case!!!!

So, after that, I escorted her to the front door, to which it was obvious she wasn't pleased.

Well, that was last Thursday, and I've heard nothing from her since. So I guess I am wondering if I did the right thing by refusing to sign the papers and refusing her access to my home (I only let her sit in the living room, no further). I am also wondering what might be going on right now, and what I might expect to happen in the coming days?

As a side note, when my ex called CPS, she also went to the court and filed an Emergency Temporary Order to keep me from seeing my kids. We have to go to court day after tomorrow over that one. Is there a chance the CPS worker may show up at that? Oh, and interestingly enough, her claims to CPS don't match the claims she has made to the court!!!!!

The worst thing about all this is what it does to the kids. Lord only knows what they are being told. Speaking of which, my ex is a pathelogical liar, and if any of you are familiar with Parental Alienation Syndrome (PAS), well, that is what I am dealing with, which only makes all of this that much harder. It's a mess.

Anyway, I would appreciate any/all advice/suggestions anyone has to give.

Thanks in advance.

[Whammo77]

By the way, the kids I am 'under investigation' with are 10 and 12 years old, both girls, and we reside in Oklahoma.

Thanks again!

[Whammo77]

I was also curious uf anyone in here has ever dealt with PAS and how to deal with it when it rears it's ugly head in situations like this which involve CPS???? What can one do?

[tnradmom]

Not dealt with PAS but my stepson that CPS stole from me is suspected of having Reactive Attachment Disorder (RAD) J's assessment even said he has it but the Psychologist excused herself from diagnosing and said she would leave it to her colleague once family therapy starts. Which it won't unless he comes home....

RAD is when the child doesn't attach to his mother and is seriously disturbed.

Pretty much if there is not an official diagnosis CPS/DCS will not acknowledge it. Even if there is a diagnosis they sometimes won't acknowledge it, especially if it would help you in any way.

[Whammo77]

Well, that figures! Just who the heck gave these people such power without oversight, and how the hell do they manage to retain that power????????? Sheesh!

[layla]

Because the goverment allows them to ABUSE their power!!

even if you didn't abuse you child they will say you did!!

they will go to great lengths to get what they want and pay people off to say you are that person and no one can stop them now as they abuse and intimidate and blackmail people i;e you won't get your kids back if you don't do or sign this!! these people are seriously deranged and sick!!

the have so much power now no one dares to stand up to them,
but who protects the kids and parents from them ??? NO ONE!
In Australia this is how it happens!! Corrupt CPS and Justice system

We need People of power to stop them!

[Whammo77]

Wow, it's even the same in Australia aye? Global corruption. Isn't that marvelous.


So, any input as to how I handled the situation with CPS? Feedback about the post would be greatly appreciated!

[Marina]

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I think you are doing good. We don't see many parents who have resisted from the very beginning because these people don't get sucked into the mire and don't need this forum. Your experience can be an inspiration to others to nip it in the bud. In my opinion, don't give in. Most everybody on this forum are people who gave in and now regret it.

Just my personal opinion. Not legal advice.

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[Whammo77]

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I think you are doing good. We don't see many parents who have resisted from the very beginning because these people don't get sucked into the mire and don't need this forum. Your experience can be an inspiration to others to nip it in the bud. In my opinion, don't give in. Most everybody on this forum are people who gave in and now regret it.

Just my personal opinion. Not legal advice.

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I certainly hope you are correct and I am on the right path. I refused to play their game, and it has been 6 days now. Since then, I havent heard a peep from them. So I am very curious as to what they are doing. Are they chillin out, or are they amassing the wagons for an all out assault?

I told my lawyer what I did, and she said "Good". So I guess that is a positive reaction. She doesn't think real highly of CPS either.

My boss somewhat has the ear of a Senator, and he has the office staff here working on a letter to him about all of this... hopefully that will be of help too.

I just can't believe that someone is so consumed with hate, envy, jealousy, and greed, that they would do this to their own children. What a schmuck! (Talking about my ex here). I can only imagine where I might have ended up had my dad been taken away from MY life!!!! I doubt it would have been good. Nope, not good at all.

I think that most people THINK that CPS is all powerful, and whatever they command, the people must do. I think that is the BIGGEST mistake you can make! I would bet $$$$ that someone else in my position would have said "sure, I'll sign those papers just to prove I'm innoccent", not realizing they'll (CPS) prolly take you to court saying "He's obviously guilty, or he wouldn't have signed papers agreeing to get help for it!". An immaculate deception on their part! Unfortunately, most people are scared out of their wits when CPS arrives, and scurry in circles to do what is asked of them without considering the possible rammifications. Luckily, I've had many dealings with various branches of the gov't and know what lying a**holes they can be. Definitely tho, i think CPS is the WORST!

I have to say tho (and maybe this will brighten some of you people's days), the CPS lady was quite shocked when I refused to sign her papers and refused to let her nose around my house. Almost dumfounded really. Hehehe. I just hope it does't come back to bite me in the a$$. I can hear them in court now saying "He refused to cooperate"...... But really tho, why the hell would you EVER sign papers that would otherwise make you look guilty of something you HAVEN'T done! I'm not signing false confessions!!!!!!!! I stand by the truth, and I hope it doesn't fail me. I've always believed that truth prevails.... even tho sometimes it takes a long time.

Tricksters, deceivers, liars, soulless bastards!!!!!!!!!! CPS SUCKS!

CPS --------->

[florida999]

first off, im so sorry to hear about your case. break up can be hard, expecially when one parent uses the children as weapons against the other. you would think after 5 years, you ex would be pretty much over it it, but who knows........(maybe you just a really hot guy)

congradulations on standing up to them and not being bullied into signing away you rights. as marina stated, most parents have already signed away not knowing it is the worst thing you could do. you are one of the FEW that didnt. by the time the find this site, they have already made to many mistakes. the only thing i would have done different was a never would have let her in my house, but not knowing how they work, you assume that coop. is the best thing. WRONG. i made the same mistake the first time the came to my house as well. i let her in, but i wouldnt sign anything.
i wouldnt let her in your house again.

as for the ro court hearing, i would bring any an all info that you can find about how you ex continuiously make false accusations, ect. I think most judges can see vindictiveness.

also bring in anything positive to counter act the accusations, talk to your childrens doctor, bring in your driving record showing you have never been charged with a dui, a letter from your employer stating you are a resposible employee, ect.

[Whammo77]

Florida, thank you for the advice!

I wasn't too terribly worried about letting her in my living room. We have 2 living rooms, and the one I let her enter is our spare, which is mainly just used for the kids to watch tv. About all there is in that room is book cases (lined with trophies and awards the kids have gotten and pictures of the kids), an entertainment center w/ tv, vcr, and dvd player, a couch, and a very nice display case that is filled with porceilan figurines, plates, etc. The way that room is arranged, and where I had her sit, you can't see anything else (ie: bedrooms, dining room, kitchen, etc), so I wasn't too worried about it.

As for my driving record, it is spotless. Haven't so much as even had a speeding ticket since 1990 (knock on wood!).

My lawyer is bringing the entire case file with her to court to show the long line of allegations and all that crap. So I think we are covered there.

The owner of the company is actually going with me to court to testify on my behalf. Definitely better than a letter. The courts here aren't too keen on letters (and many times won't even accept them) because they can't 'cross examine' a letter. And too, for all they know, I could have written it... So him going with me is a definite bonus!

And how did YOU know I was such a hot dude? LOL! Honestly, I don't know why she can't let go. She has gotten remarried, so why can't she get a life????? It's been SIX years, move on lady! But part of what I think is causing this, is she is about to have another baby. I'm sure she is looking at these kids as $$$ signs. She has a little $8/hr job, no insurance, etc., and is always broke. The way they hammer a guy over child support, you'd be looking at about $1k a month. It's a strong motivator for her I am sure.

Then, there is also the genetic thing. Like mother, like daughter. Her mother took off with her when she was 7, and never allowed the dad to see her again. She bounced from state to state, city to city, until my ex was in her teens. Why didn't her dad fight for her? Well, he was in Puerto Rico (and for all I know still is). The guy wasn't 'well to do', and you can imagine imagine the kind of money it would have taken to have tried to wage a court battle with the mother with her living here in the states. It would have been an incredible amount of money, which I'm sure he just didn't have.

I asked her mom & step dad why they coninued to hide her from her dad (he would call several times a year at her mother's house trying to contact my ex all the way up to when we got divorced, and probably still does). They claimed he was abusive, an alcoholic, had beat both of them and choked the mother, etc etc. Sound familiar???? I never believed their story, you could just tell it was fishy. Now, since she and i have gotten divorced, the pattern has repeated itself all over, and I have no doubt but what their story was hogwash, and that this is just the way the women in their family are. As of this point, my ex hasn't seen or talked to her dad in 27 years......

Well, I'm an hour and 30 minutes away from my court hearing to see if the court is going to uphold the ETO, or if I'm going to get my kids back today. WISH ME LUCK!!!!!!!!!

I'll come back and post as soon as I can. Hopefully it will be good news!

[mom2boys]

Saying prayers.



~Never give up. Sometimes you are all someone has.

[Whammo77]

Well, we went this morning, and CPS didn't show up. So they rescheduled it for this afternoon, and CPS didn't show up AGAIN. So the Judge signed an order for them to HAVE to be there on the 31st. Till then, I still get to have NO contact with my kids. Our system is a joke........

[mom2boys]

Child "protective".....WHAT the hell! They are dutifully sworn to protect the child, (and maybe return a few to keep the family bond a reality) and to simply 'not show up' - NOT SHOW UP- at a hearing to discuss the matter of
R E T U R N I N I N G A C H I L D
....oh sorry, ok for a minute their I forgot, its NOT about the children its about the
$ C $ H $ I $ L $ D $ R $ E $ N $.

Im heart broken for you. Im soo sorry this isnt over. Endure and thou shall be rewarded.

Those freakin sons o' bi7ches...OH IM SO MAD.

[Whammo77]

They (CPS) are now being court ordered to show up next thursday.... so we'll see how that goes.

I talked to my lawyer about the idea of trying to get the DA to prosecute, and even about forming a suit against my ex for all this false stuff.... she said that Oklahoma could basically care less, and that she has had cases 10 times worse than my own, and the DA/courts didn't do crap. She said it would probably be a HUGE waste of money.

Any thoughts?

[EducatingMyselfInFL1]

My thought would be to find a new lawyer. You need a bulldog who will get the DA to go after your ex-wife for wasting the taxpayers' $$. IMHO you won't get her to stop until you go on the offensive. She's lied to the police and to CPS as far as I can tell from your posts. You're going to need to be the squeaky wheel to get her prosecuted, but I think that it IS possible. She needs consequences for her actions or she will just continue doing what she has been doing. The best defense is a good offense. I'd rather spend the money up front than constantly spend money defending myself. I don't think that it would be a waste of $$ to go after her any way you can, because she's not going to stop until she's either hit in the pocketbook and/or looking at jail time IMHO.

[Frustrated]

I think CPS did not show up ON PURPOSE so that the Children would not have any contact with you. The more longer you have no contact, the better it is for CPS. "keeping children" away from you. That and maybe they are in trouble for not "following up" with the paperwork. They are up to their necks knowing that the stuff is wrong. That's why they don't want to show up with their pants down (technically speaking but not really) but means they will be embarrassed for being shown for not following it through.

I don't trust CPS at all. They are capable of mischievious tricks. Scamming, conning, lying, stealing, profiteering off these poor children. They should pay for this corrupt act and be held accountable for their actions. We need to make sure the Whitehouse will get the message.
Go to DC RALLY or write letters to Capitol Hill and DEMAND something needs to be changed!!!

[Whammo77]

The lawyer I have is excellent in divorce proceedings. I will definitely keep her for that. I've never lost a case yet with her, and my ex has hired some of the 'biggest guns' in town to come after us. So kudos to my lawyer there... she is definitely a bulldog in the divorce court proceedings. However, if she doesn't want to pursue my ex aggressively in the other matter, I will search out another attorney for that.

Saying my ex lies/has lied is a total understatement. She is pathelogical. I am definitely going after her in one form or another. I know for sure on one court case, the one where she jumped my wife and then claimed I beat her up, I have her written statement, as well as all the documentation from the police etc etc. I can defintiely prove word for word that that was BS. I think I can prove everything else as well.

[mom2boys]

OK, just throwing this out their, Im really not sure, but what about a criminal attorney, because if her actions have been fraudulent, so wouldnt that mean...criminal?

I hate people who screw with good people.~

[Frustrated]

Yes. There is a such Law for making false reports. Crime is a Crime.

But CPS will probably let it go, in the name of child protection.

Even Judges are corrupt and got caught falsifying court transcripts. did you read the news from Ontario?

Here is an example:

Judge Falsifies Records
May 24, 2007
We have been carrying articles recently about falsification of court records by the court itself, for example Harry Kopyto and Gil Labossiere. Today's story deals with a judge, Marvin Zucker, admitting to falsifying his records. The penalty? Nothing. The judge wrote a letter to the victim, but remains on the bench. The adjudicator, Justice Robert Blair, treated the incident as a one-time failing, though Canada Court Watch has found the practice to be habitual. Now what would happen if one of us submitted falsified information to the court? Loss of children? Jail? Ten thousand dollar fine? The judge's counsel, high-priced divorce lawyer Phil Epstein, must have been surprised at his client's admission, since he has never benefited from an inaccurate transcript in his own practice.

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May 24, 2007

Judge gets a slap on wrist

By KEVIN CONNOR, SUN MEDIA

An Ontario Court judge was given a warning yesterday for a "slip from grace" in tampering with court transcripts.

Family court Justice Marvin Zucker admitted to the Ontario Judicial Council that he committed judicial misconduct by making deletions and additions to court transcripts in a case where paralegal Harry Kopyto was trying to represent a woman battling a supervision application by Jewish Family and Children's Services.

In July 2005, Zucker refused to allow Kopyto to represent the women because of his history and for being "adversarial" in court -- remarks Zucker later removed from transcripts.

Zucker apologized to the OJC, admitting it was wrong, but he stuck to his guns about not letting Kopyto represent the woman.

"She faced the possibility of losing her children," Zucker said. "I had grave concerns proceeding with Mr. Kopyto and I felt it was imperative for her to have legal counsel." Kopyto was disbarred in 1989 for bilking Ontario Legal Aid of more than $150,000, said Zucker's lawyer, Phil Epstein, who sat on the disciplinary panel that disbarred Kopyto.

Zucker made a "slip from grace," said OJC chairman Justice Robert Blair, who issued Zucker a warning and ordered him to write a letter of apology to Kopyto and his client.

Calling the outcome "outrageous," Kopyto said it proves judges are above the law.

Source: website of the Toronto Sun

[anxiousmom]

I'm editing this.

I am sorry!!!! I thought I was on a thread I had started regarding my case!! So please DISREGARD what I wrote below.


I'm still don't think you are following me.

It's not about "cps letting it go."

The TEXAS FAMILY LAW CODE states that IF the court (the judge), does NOT render an order by the 1st Mon. after the one year anniversary & does not file for a 6 mo. extension, that the suit affecting the parent & child relationship is AUTOMATICALLY dismissed!!!!

CPS' TEMPOARY managing conservatorship ENDS at the ONE YEAR anniversary!!!!!

I do not think cps will ask for a 6 mo. extension when they have been asking to the judge to remove them from the case since Oct., after only being temp. managing conservatorshipers for a little over 4 mos.

[anxiousmom]

Whammo77,

I'm a little confused by your post.

Do the children you had with your exwife live with you or with your exwife?

[Whammo77]

As for the criminal attorney.... you may be right! I am definitely going to dig in to it some more.

Regarding the living arrangements of my kids.... I have joint custody of them. They alternate weeks between me and my ex. I have them for seven straight days, then she does, then I do, then she does, etc.

[Frustrated]

That had to be confusing for the Kids and surely not the best interest of the Kids by shifting one week to another, two different houses. But that is what her Lawyer might say to this. I think the ex wants everything changed and strip you of your joint custody so she can have them for herself.

Remember they will use "in the best interests of the Children" in Court. Use that.

[Whammo77]

That had to be confusing for the Kids and surely not the best interest of the Kids by shifting one week to another, two different houses. But that is what her Lawyer might say to this. I think the ex wants everything changed and strip you of your joint custody so she can have them for herself.

Remember they will use "in the best interests of the Children" in Court. Use that.

Why do you say that wouldn't be good for them? Why do you say it would be confusing, or not in their best interests? I am hoping maybe I am misunderstanding what you are trying to say?