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dawn7799
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what does this mean?

Postby dawn7799 » Wed Aug 06, 2008 7:40 pm

Can someone tell me what this mean? This a Wisconsin statute a reason why they can take children away.



(11) Who is suffering emotional damage for which the parent,
guardian or legal custodian has neglected, refused or been unable
and is neglecting, refusing or unable, for reasons other than poverty,
to obtain necessary treatment or to take necessary steps to
ameliorate the symptoms;


Dawn

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Postby Socialworker » Wed Aug 06, 2008 8:46 pm

It means a child whom the state decides is being neglected or abused either physically, mentally or emotionally because the guardian isn't caring for those need. It gives a loop hole that the neglect, or abuse can't be due to poverty. Meaning if the guardian can't pay for shoes for example, it doesn't qualify. It would qualify if the guardian COULD pay for shoes but won't. Based on the opinion of their CPS agents.

dawn7799
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does this mean

Postby dawn7799 » Thu Aug 07, 2008 4:51 am

O.K.

If I getting the necessary treatment for my daughter that mean I am meeting this statutue?

Dawn

P.S. does it state I have to believe what she is saying?

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Postby Marina » Thu Aug 07, 2008 4:51 am

Some states do not have a clear definition of emotional neglect. It is a gray area, so use it to your advantage, don't let CPS use it to their advantage, to scoop up children under the umbrella of emotional neglect.

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Re: does this mean

Postby Socialworker » Thu Aug 07, 2008 11:21 am

dawn7799 wrote:O.K.

If I getting the necessary treatment for my daughter that mean I am meeting this statutue?

Dawn

P.S. does it state I have to believe what she is saying?


That will depend on the caseworker in charge of the case. I would think it would mean you're meeting the statute, but since it's so vague it leaves a lot up to the opinion of the case worker. If you can, I'd try getting more information on how they make that decision.

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Postby trappedinwreakage » Tue Aug 12, 2008 5:06 pm

What it means is CPS doesnt want you to deprive your children from all the little games they can learn under their care... you know in those homes that are full of kids who have been in the system for possibly ages and know all the little games children can play.

Further more they do not want you to deprive your children of the psychological damage involved when they drive their wedge into a family.

Now straighten up people and stop depriving your children of the blessing that is CPS................

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Postby Momoffor » Tue Aug 12, 2008 6:49 pm

EXAMPLE:

We are a military family, husband is gone a lot, move a lot, change schools often, have autistic child that doesnt deal well with change.

I refuse to put child on medications that get handed out like candy. OUR doctor agrees that medication is not needed we are doing fine without. Doctor also states is RX that we are the ideal parent/child relationship/team and are doing fine without intervention.

Schools dont like dealing with sons issues and the ***ch of a mother that is always demanding childs rights and calling the school out when they screw up and break the law. School is tired of son and his shut downs and mothers refusal to have the school 'give counseling' to child 'in order to help him 'coupe with normal life' by people who are NOT specialists in Autism. School is also irritated that son refuses to communicate anything to them, but instead relys on mother to be his voice.

School calls CPS.

CPS will find that mother has created some sort of sick relationship with child because child is so dependent on mother even though he is a teenager. Mother would be guilty of emotional neglect because she doesnt seek treatment for the childs emotional needs. (in CPS eyes this would be meds, and doctors, nevermind the fact that his emotional needs ARE being met via mother and what he is comfortable with because of his Autism, this is how he functions and always has)

ANOTHER SCENARIO:

12 year old child is angry that mother works after being a stay at home mom for 10 years. He is acting up in school and regularly goes to counseling to help with his ADHD issues.

Child has remarked to teachers and school staff that he is misbehaving because 'he is mad at his mom for not being at home all the time anymore'.

School social worker called mother to go over info on IEP. Mother tells social worker that son was told over and over it is normal for moms to go to work, but he will not accept that. Mother tells school social worker that she feels her child needs to get over it, suck it up, and accept it as it is part of life.

School social worker wrote in file that mother was flippant about the situation, uncaring.

This in their eyes would be emotional neglect because I am so uncaring and flippant and refuse to stop working because my 12 year old child demands that I be at home 24/7 just because that is the way he wanted it.

(I do want to say, that since, he has sucked it up and accepted that mom works, and he has even got a job of his own. He mows lawns in the neighborhood and has so many clients that he makes roughly $100.00 a week. He is at 'work' so much, that when I am home, he isnt there because HE is the one at 'work').

In otherwords, like socialworker said, it is so vague, it leaves it up to opinion. Which is such BS. Neither scenario I mention is actually emotional neglect, but with CPS any and everything can be emotional neglect. Your kid gets a splinter and you failed to give the kid a hug to make it all better. You are guilty of emotional neglect!!!!


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