I JUST STOLE MY KIDS RIGHT BACK...SCREW THE DHS/CPS!!!!!

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Re: What to do...

Postby gideonmacleish » Sat Apr 22, 2006 10:18 am

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LindaJM wrote:That's what I'd do if it ever happened to me again, Bob. My strategy would be to go to the media with reports constantly, protest in front of the CPS building daily, and let everyone within the nearest ten counties (or more) know what was going on. I'd be the biggest b*tch they ever met. I'd give information to all their clients on how to fight them. They would definitely regret taking me on as a client and of course I'd never sign any of their damned papers!!

Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me... it'll never happen.

Linda

This is exactly what I am about to do in NJ, god they are NOT going to like me one bit and I am in the right for doing it.


When we dealt with our recent CPS encounter, I told my wife that if they took the kids, we would immediately put a sign up in front of our house (our community has no sign ordinance, there's nothing they could do about it). We would then be full time activists until the children were returned. It would be VERY bad for them, from a PR standpoint.

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Postby mousey » Thu Apr 27, 2006 5:35 am

MarkMiclette, I have to say, I really admire you, and wish you well. I really wish that more people would take a stand in this country, we need numbers that are willing to stand up to the government, like patriots and I think it is going to come to that anyway. We are quit close to living in a fudal nazi regime.

However, as I read your posts, it seems that most of what you are doing requires money, at least a little. CPS is very good at attacking the poorest of the poor. What do you suggest for people in that situation? What do you do if your children are teenagers? I mean a lot of CPS involvement is with teen year kids, not toddlers.

So anyway, I'm listening.
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Postby good dad » Thu Apr 27, 2006 6:10 am

Mousey....Mark got caught ...I don't think he is going to post again, by taking this approach he has probably lost any chance of ever getting their kids back....
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Postby Dan Sullivan » Thu Apr 27, 2006 6:16 am

good dad wrote:Mousey....Mark got caught ...I don't think he is going to post again, by taking this approach he has probably lost any chance of ever getting their kids back....


What a shame.

Please, God, help my friends.

Keep them focused on the goal, which is getting their children back from CPS foster care legally, by working within the system to beat the system.

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Postby dasuberding » Thu Apr 27, 2006 6:31 am

Where did you get this information that Mark had been captured?

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Postby Dan Sullivan » Thu Apr 27, 2006 6:35 am

dasuberding wrote:Where did you get this information that Mark had been captured?


http://gideon-macleish.joeuser.com/index.asp?c=1&p=2

Scroll down a bit.

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Postby dasuberding » Thu Apr 27, 2006 6:45 am

Yup, posted April 21 06.

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Postby mousey » Thu Apr 27, 2006 7:05 am

I'm sorry if he got caught. And I hope people will go to bat for him, but I would do the same thing he did.

It's going to come to that in this country evendually anyway.
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Postby Momoffor » Thu Apr 27, 2006 9:11 pm

From all of the articles that I had read concerning him and his plight. He was wanted already for id theft by the feds, not the actual kidnapping itself. He was already wanted before he took his kids. (THis is what I can gather from all the posts on him) and he did make posts something that leads me to believe that he was fully capable of it. Talking about how he could find out any and everything about someone.

Also from what I read he was involved with some con-artist activities which is HOW he got caught according to the articles.

He did make references to that in his posts as well.

What I am getting at is this:
There appears to be alot more involved to this story than the version given. Weather its all trumped up accusations on the part of the feds isnt for me to or any of us to judge. But IF it isnt, this person was facing prison anyhow, and was going to lose his kids either way if and when he got locked up.

Would you have the same sympathy for a parent who came on here and cried how wronged their family was that they broke the law, had to go to prison and so therefore were no longer with their child? More than likely not.

(am not saying that this is the case here because once again, Im not judge and jury, but it is a point to ponder).

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Postby gideonmacleish » Fri Apr 28, 2006 8:26 am

Mom,

Excellent questions. I have no problem with the Miclettes serving time for criminal activities adjudicated before a jury. But in their criminal history, there was no conviction for abuse/neglect of children. While the children need placement while the Miclettes serve time, I did not, and do not feel that they should have been removed permanently.

The family contacted me via an article I wrote on my blog site. Apparently, this has a reasonably happy ending, as the children have been placed in family placements that the Miclettes approved. Certainly, the Miclettes should pay the price for what they did, but NOT for what they did NOT do.

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Postby mousey » Fri Apr 28, 2006 9:41 am

Just as being poor is not abuse. CPS should be done away with totally.
Everything should be done in criminal courts.

I have a friend who had her daughter confiscated by cps because she snuck out of bed and was wonder down the road, in a rural area.
That is not abuse. Kids do things that kids do.
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Postby Momoffor » Fri Apr 28, 2006 4:33 pm

gideon,

I have been contacted by who I believe must be a family member as well since they know so much of the before cps and after cps criminal activity of the parents.

The only thing that I am stating is that these parents were going to lose their children not because of abuse and neglect, but because of the fact that they were going to be going to prison. Weather through family or through foster care, children of incarcerated parents need a place to go too.

From the pm that I got, the children are doing rather well with the family members and for this I am happy for them. I am not adovating cps in this case. My only point was these were criminals that had broken the law, got caught and instead of owning up to it, broke the law again so they could live life on the lamb and making their children pay for the parents actions.

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Postby Momoffor » Fri Apr 28, 2006 4:41 pm

mousey I agree with you totally about the things the kids do. My mother talks about how I used to get up at the crack of dawn and take off. I could never be contained by any damn crib either!! lol. NEVER hehe. Starting when I was 2 and go around the neighborhood going into peoples houses like I owned the place.

Apparently, I had it down of who had what to eat, who had sodas, and who had candy and when they would be awake to send their husbands off to work or their kids off to school. Everyone thought it was cute. They knew I wasnt starving, I wasnt beaten or abused. I just wanted the good stuffs and knew how to play the cute kid trump card to get it. lol, They would all just give me whatever good stuff I wanted until I couldnt eat anymore. and let me watch cartoons. As they would wash dishes they would watch for the lights at my house to go on, and then call my mother and tell her where I was and there was no hurry to get me, I was no bother. Granted, I got my ass beat every time, but was that going to stand in the way of me getting my pepsi and twinkies for breakfast? heck no, next day was the same thing. This went on till I was 7.

But these kids mentioned in this post were taken when the parents were taken to jail. Not over something that kids just do.

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Postby mousey » Fri Apr 28, 2006 7:13 pm

Yeah, It just appeared in the first post that they made that they were taking off because CPS was after them. I don't think that they themselves made mention of alterior motives. Myself, if CPS was after my kids, and I mean just CPS, not talking about criminal activity on the part of the parents, I would be very tempted if pushed into a corner to take off. I just would. I don't know if it's right or wrong. But knowing how powerless most poor people are in the judicial system, you know, it's like running into a burning building to save your child. Most people would run into that building.
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Postby Momoffor » Fri Apr 28, 2006 7:38 pm

I agree with you 100%.

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Postby dasuberding » Sat Apr 29, 2006 3:23 am

Mark was right about one thing...you, as a parent, have an inherent right to protect your children, be it from violent acts, corrupt social workers, the government. I firmly believe that if you know the system is broken, corrupt, un-constitutional, you have a god-given right to protect your kids from these sociopaths (and that's what they are, folks).

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CPS violates all of these, in one way or another.

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Postby mousey » Sat Apr 29, 2006 4:26 am

Thanks dasuberding. I want to print your post and hang it on my wall. I have a friend who just got her child stolen from her by CPS simply because the child snuck out of the house and was walking by herself by the side of the road. Like I said, kids do what kids do. I'll bet I did that to my parents a time or two when I was 4 or 5.
After all this happened she wound up hospitalized from the trauma. It's like loosing a child to a tragic accident.
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Postby gideonmacleish » Sat Apr 29, 2006 11:06 am

Mom,

I never disputed that the children needed a place to go while the parents are in prison. I disputed the life sentence of removing these children from their parents until they turn 18. HUGE difference!

These parents have committed crimes; I never debated that point. And they should certainly be held to account for the commission of those crimes. But they should not have their children stripped away for the rest of their childhood without due process. That is, in my opinion, unconscionable.

I am happy that it appears that this situation had a relatively happy ending. But I am NOT happy with the idea that the crimes these parents actually DID commit should be compounded with the additional punishment of being forever barred from their children.

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Postby mousey » Sat Apr 29, 2006 12:46 pm

CPS not only punishes parents, it punishes children. gideonmacleish
is right. We have to think not only about what this does to the parents, we have to think about what it does to the children. And remember, children do grow up. what happens to them when they are young will affect the kind of citizens they will be and these citizens will live in your community. Think of the troubled adults we now have in society that were a product of CPS.
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Postby mousey » Sat Apr 29, 2006 1:06 pm

One other affect CPS has on parents and children, at least around here, is constant fear, espeically by the parents, that CPS might for some reason not approve of the way they are raising their children.

If a parent lives in constant fear of disciplining their children, for fear that CPS may not approve of their actions. I've seen too many instances of children controlling their parents through this fear and the children grow up undisciplined. Spanking a child if done right is not abuse. In many cases it hurts their feelings more than anything. Not disciplining children is abuse.

We wonder why we have unruly teenagers. If the children can contol the parents, (I've hear it many times, the children threaten to call CPS when the parents make attempts to discipline children), then CPS is doing damage just through fear itself.
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Postby dasuberding » Sat Apr 29, 2006 4:12 pm

As far as I have seen, spanking is still legal in all 50 states. It's the agenda of CPS and their co-conspirators to remove all discipline rights from the parents using the excuse that it causes emotional harm. What a load of *&$!. That's the problem with these caseworkers...they are confusing their opinions with law and the juvenile judges are letting them get away with it. CPS hates real lawyers because of this.
I read a report from a pro-physical discipline child psychologist from UC Berkely (of all places) who had done a study on Sweden and the effect of banning corpreal punishment. It seems that Sweden had banned physical punishment of children about a dceade ago and now their is an substantial increase in the crime rate and real child abuse is on the rise. This prissy, politicaly correct crap doesn't work. Now, I don't condone beating the kids but when it's something serious (stealing, constant lies, fighting) and talking isn't working, what are you to do? CPS and the socialists would love to have your children grow up without discipline instilled in them. It means more fodder for the system and a reason for them to exist

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IF Mark Miclette's Post gets deleted.....

Postby Sick of Um » Sun Apr 30, 2006 9:37 am

:( You will lose the respect of all those who trust in this site for "FREEDOM OF SPEECH"! If anyone is afraid for posting, or won't post, that would make this site a government controlled,(by fear) Website! Think about it! How can anyone be against a father for doing what so many regret not doing when they had the chance? WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME SIDE! Don't sell out people. Most of us have lost our children by obeying the system. I am one who has always felt that filing your papers and waiting another 6 weeks or 2 months for the next hearing is doing nothing but destroying our children and is a waste of time! Get your kids and go! This isn't legal advice, its common sense, it's constitutional . Their way is unconstitutional, making it illegal and immoral! They will stall the innocent so long, waiting for something to happen, to keep your children! While never addressing that they have stole them and should have returned them immediately It
takes careful planning and communication. If you can pull it off without telling a soul, then you have less chance of getting caught.
Now, focus on this point. :arrow: If there are no charges against you, and no signed orders stating that you can't be with your child, and your children leave the states clutches on their own, its not kidnapping! There wasn't one Amber alert in our case! Don't let the State destroy your children and family while you wait for a hearing and while you wait for justice. You won't get it! Even if you claim victory after just 6 months, you still lose. Your children have suffered irreparable harm.
:D Do what you know is right! :D
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Postby Frustrated » Sun Apr 30, 2006 1:10 pm

I can see many Parents/Families move out quicker, and very fast after the Case was Closed. They just left so many stuff behind like Bikes, Furnitures, and Bigger Stuff that they can't take it with them. I have seen them move so fast in 3 hours and they were already gone. It happened so often on my street in this Neighbourhood where it is very visited very frequently by CPS/CFS.

Just Today, one Family across the street from us, they are moving and they are moving fast. I say, here we go again. It has been about 20 Families moving so fast, and these Families are already visited by CPS. I am not surprised and I do understand their pain and feelings of wanting to get out while it is hot. Once they know that the investigation is over and case is closed, they move elsewhere.

We were always taking their Bikes, Furnitures, TV, Tables/Chair where they left them on the curb. We even took in High Chairs, Cribs, Toddler Beds, and we would sell them in Yard Sales. They just left them there and they took what they needed.

Sad indeed.
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Postby mousey » Sun Apr 30, 2006 3:00 pm

Sick of Um I'm with you. I know it is a real scarey feeling, but I just think people are being backed up into a corner anymore and have to come out fighting. If that means taking your kids and running with them, I'm all for it. I just know that if I ever get in a corner between cps, I know I'll run, because if I don't, I might end up shooting them.
If they break into my home without a warrant, according to the Constitution I have a right to protect my children and property. But I know reality is, that someone can break into your home at knife point, beat you and rob you, and if you defend yourself, then your the one going to jail. I know what the Constitution is, what it's suppose to be, and I know, that our current government does not up hold the Constitution.
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Postby Frustrated » Sun Apr 30, 2006 3:12 pm

Yes, there is a certain Law that you have the right to defend yourself and protect your Homes from Criminals. It says you can shoot them if they enter your home and rob you at gun point, you have the right to defend you, but if the person/robber dies, you go to Jail. YUP. That is the price you have to pay for protecting your so called Family and Home. Nothing is decent anymore.

I fear that if more CPS comes and intrude into Families' Life, I am afraid that some Families will lash out and harm CPS. Look what happened to Texas CPS Worker and she is dead. More like this will come and that is what I fear. I think Families, Relatives, Friends out there will have ENOUGH of this intrusion and interference into their Lives. It is an Interference where no one wants to feel uneasiness. It just feels awful cos they convicted you without Criminal Court Charges.

It is not right and I think every time the CPS Case is being brought up that the Families has the right to Criminal Court Charges. This way, they can prove their innocence IN CRIMINAL COURTS. The Family Courts Cases are a Joke, because Family Court Judges believes CPS and will rubber stamp their recommendations without due process. Judges never know what goes in most Familie's homes, CPS says this and that....and Judges say Okay...I believe you, then there you go, Services Court Ordered. :roll: or Children Removed>. Or whatever Judges rubber Stamps CPS' Recommendations. CPS Recommendations are the worst because it is not a sure fire Evidence that Families are in any wrong doing's.
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