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Postby Dazeemay » Thu Jun 09, 2005 1:42 pm

I am not in placer county so I will have to do research for my state.

But, there is no reason why I can't show that to our lawyer.
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To put it in simple terms…when the authorities ARE the perpetrators and the perpetrators ARE the authorities, there is no earthly justice or recourse, at the end of the day (unless the American people wake up).

Therefore, those who have achieved the highest levels of power seek to ‘enjoy’ the most grievous and extreme injustices. For many of those in the highest circles of power, the greatest statement of power is to perpetrate the greatest possible injustice…the savage, brutal traumatization and abuse of an innocent child.
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Postby Dazeemay » Thu Jun 09, 2005 2:45 pm

I also am going a different direction with my suit and it won't get me money....I am reluctant to post it here because I know for a fact that cps from my state is watching my every word.

This has been the only way people can bring attention to this right now. I hate it too. Money does not buy happiness and that is why I need to do it a different way. I don't know if I can pull it off but this board will be the first to hear about it.

Many have said that their money was going to help others fight the system. I don't know if you are aware of those posts. We all want justice but this is the only alternative right now.
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This is not legal advice;hopefully wisdom

To put it in simple terms…when the authorities ARE the perpetrators and the perpetrators ARE the authorities, there is no earthly justice or recourse, at the end of the day (unless the American people wake up).

Therefore, those who have achieved the highest levels of power seek to ‘enjoy’ the most grievous and extreme injustices. For many of those in the highest circles of power, the greatest statement of power is to perpetrate the greatest possible injustice…the savage, brutal traumatization and abuse of an innocent child.
http://themurkynews.blogspot.com/ MattTwoFour

"Ultimately, the law is only as good as the judge" --- D.X. Yue, 2005, in "law, reason and judicial fraud"
http://www.parentalrightsandjustice.com/index.cgi?ctype=Page;site_id=1;objid=45;curloc=Site:1

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Postby mugalug » Thu Jun 09, 2005 3:56 pm

"Best bet is home schooling. "

Unfortunatley, I can't homeschool him. I have tried that and right now its too difficult. I have two kids. My other one is a toddler and and handful himself. I can't give my older son the attention he needs for school cause the minute my back is turned, he is into something. Also he argues with me about doing schoolwork. They are both a handful. ;) I love them dearly, but I can't devote time to my son's schooling without my toddler getting into something, at the same time I can't play with my toddler without my school aged son not getting help with schoolwork. So I guess I am stuck with public or private school. Things are better financially, so we can have private insurance. They can't go after us for that ever again.

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Re: Placer County CPS

Postby lexsmom » Thu Jun 09, 2005 10:36 pm

dasuberding wrote:Good News! Our son was returned to us about a month ago after threatening these morons with Federal Court and we haven't heard from them since. the last social worker we dealt with was honest and actually pushed for reunification. it was the legal dept. and this joke of a lawyer that supposedly represented my son that was fighting reunification. This joke of a lawyer is not even ABA certified and we ran a background check on her and found that she is an adoption lawyer (minimal skills) and she bought her degree from a degree mill. So, we requested a hearing and the only people against reunification was the morons of Placer County CPS Legal dept. They had some "issues" but didn't voice them. We told them that these "issues" better hold up Federal Court because that's where they are headed and they crumpled. COWARDS! These half-wits love to hide behind the law while they violate you and your family's civil rights every chance they get. We are still going to drag them to federal court though and if we don't get what we want, the media will be notified! I am sure Placer County would love negative media attention right before the November elections. WHAT HAVE WE LEARNED? DO NOT TRUST THE STATE OR IT'S REPRESENTATIVES! These devious immoral dolts have one agenda on their minds and that is profit from the destruction of the American family. Personally, I would have them deported to N. Korea so they can appreciate the true "socialist" dream in a country where "Big Brother" rules. 1984 is here, like it or not, and as American's (and myself being a combat vet sworn to uphold the constitution) it is our duty to thow these bums out on their asses and never let them back in. Socialism is a pipe dream and will never work in the long run. Look at the problems that Western Europe are having now.

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Postby lexsmom » Thu Jun 09, 2005 10:49 pm

Did you talk to a Linda H.? or a Dave R.? Linda H. , the "patient's rights advocate" sure acted like my best friend (I always kept in mind she wasn't) She sure said she was on my side and was going to investigate everything. She wanted a hold of my videotape very badly, which I won't give her a copy of. She told me county counsel and Placer County Risk Management were all over my case. I asked why the hell won't they do the right thing? I told her of converstations I had with C.T., a doey-eyed social worker who looked at my husband and myself like we were really getting screwed, and she said she did not get into this field for retailiation and taking children away from their parents. She admitted they had no case. I told Linda H. I had witnesses and that fancy phone she admired during our "volunary family visits" had a tape recorder on it. Linda H. got very upset and told me I could get in big trouble for taping goverment officials. I told her it was for my own piece of mind and besides Linda, I told you I tape everyone, including all our conversations. She did not like that. But at the beginning of our relationship I told her I taped everyone and of course everyone would include her. I asked her if she had really low self esteem or a God complex. Everyone was her too. The doey-eyed social worker C.T. ended up not telling the truth to Linda H. C.T. also did not notice to the end of our 3 month "voluntary" plan that I signed everything under duress and without counsel. I really believed C.T.,, but of course never trusted her. If the baby stealing thing doesn't work out for her, she has a great career as a Lifetime Movie actress. Any of these people sound familar?

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Re: Placer County CPS

Postby dasuberding » Fri Jun 10, 2005 11:19 am

[quote="lexsmom"]Everyone is talking about suing, of course it is necessary. But I have done A TON of thinking about this. They can throw a couple of million dollars in my lap (like that is going to happen) and it is not going to make myself and my family OK again.

I have found a recent lawsuit in Sac County where a woman won a multi-million dollar figure lawsuit against CPS and she was even found guilty in the criminal case against her. This was reported by the Sacramento Bee. So it is possible and highly likely that if you take these scumbags to Federal Court, they will have to pay with their budget. Of course they are not going to just give you monetary relief. You have to force them! Another thing, I have done exstensive research into Federal civil right cases and have found that once you sign and file the lawsuit papers, that second, CPS is put on hold. They cannot move any further with whatever made up case they have concocted. CPS has a history of civil right violations (which is a charge of it's own) and is immediately assumed guilty of the charges and has to prove why you and your family's civil rights were violated in order to "protect the child". The Federal Courts are almost always on the side of the family and recognize these scumbags for what they are, bureaucrats out of control with no intentions of serving the people they are sworn to serve. These morons are social workers who have turned a respectable service into a business at the expense of the people they are supposed to be serving. I know money is not going to fix the scars these lowlifes have caused, but it will help and eventually some politician will wake up. Congress has already had a floor discussion about CPS running amuck in every state, so they are aware of what is going on. If enough citizens become outraged, we can bring this inefficient, money sucking program down. Florida has already privatized their CPS and Texas is about to do the same. This is why we are moving out of state. To protect our children. As for the charges, if any are leveled at you, if they are not criminal, the are BS and will not follow you. Also, you probably have been reported to the Federal Dept of Health and Welfare as a child abuser. When you take these people to court, this will work on getting your name expunged and your child, upon reaching 18, can also sue the system again. Personally, I believe the whole CA social system needs to be torn apart and rebuilt and I bet if I started investigating, I would find abuse done by the social workers working with the elderly.

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Placer County

Postby lexsmom » Fri Jun 10, 2005 12:05 pm

Selfishly looking for others to share in my delilous joy that I just heard 10 minutes ago from my process server who doesn't even know my story. The detective (with the CPS worker girlfriend) is apparently working as a graveyard clerk at the substation now. Whatever that means, it just doesn't sound good. Poor, poor Mikey. I know yesterday I was speaking of not having any justice, I sure feel a bit today although these losers are still getting paychecks, hopefully they will not be able to abuse their authority on other innocent victims. I think their "superiors" are aware, although just as guilty with their retention of these sociopaths. Thanks to all for listening. :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

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Regarding Placer County Media Attention

Postby lexsmom » Fri Jun 10, 2005 12:23 pm

That would be great in a perfect world. No one really cares unfortunatley. Did you happen to catch the KCRA news of two nights ago where they had the story about that poor little boy hit and ran and KILLED by a drunk Sacramento County Sheriff. The segmant showed how the grief stricken family had to go through the normal check of the high security of the court, while this MURDERER and weasel was ushered through the back doors of the court, with heavy handed sheriff force around him. The DA was only charging him with hit and run, not manslaughter or even drunk driving. Apparently the MURDERER had received a death threat by email. Not only that the death threat was in the form of a puzzle. Little known fact out their people in case you didn't know, poor, grief stricken African-American families are really into email, especially putting death threats in the form of a word puzzle. I hope everyone sees my sarcasim and I am not being politically incorrect. I wanted to run down to the court (2 hours away) myself. Back to KCRA news, five minutes later they had a segment on the change of uniforms in I believe San Joaquin Valley Sherriff's Department. I swear that segmant was longer. I haven't got a chance to write those fine journelists yet. They should be really proud of their work. :roll:

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Postby mugalug » Fri Jun 10, 2005 7:49 pm

Hopefully that means he got demoted. Wouldn't that be great? He deserves whatever bad things happen to him career wise. Maybe if he's lucky they will let him clean the toilets with a toothbrush. :twisted:

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Good!

Postby dasuberding » Sat Jun 11, 2005 7:06 am

mugalug wrote:Hopefully that means he got demoted. Wouldn't that be great? He deserves whatever bad things happen to him career wise. Maybe if he's lucky they will let him clean the toilets with a toothbrush. :twisted:


Well, if he was a detective and is now working as a clerk on the grave yard shift, that would mean a demotion. Cops have to work long and hard to make it to detective and it sounds like they busted him down a few notches. Even with a criminal law degree, every cop has to start at rookie patrol cop level and work their way up to detective, it just happens faster with a degree. That is good news. When I was arrested, the cops pretty much told me their hands were tied. CPS points and they arrest. I didn't even know what the charges were until later and my rights were never read to me. Very Gestapo like but the arresting officer was sympathetic or at least pretended to be. Actually thanked me for my cooperation. the only problem is that they didn't really interview my wife and myself and then wrote a report that was just a mirror of the social workers report and I believe this is standard procedure. What ever the CPS worker says happened, happened. My lawyer wasn't suprised and he used to be a cop.

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Postby Dazeemay » Sat Jun 11, 2005 7:34 am

dasuberding..... Another thing, I have done exstensive research into Federal civil right cases and have found that once you sign and file the lawsuit papers, that second, CPS is put on hold.
By being put on hold does that mean they can't go any further with the investigation but, that everything else they have done is also put on hold and that would mean the child would still be in their custody until they are proven wrong.

And does it mean that this is even a far better protection for the parent. In otherwords, if cps starts to snoop around you know that they are coming for your child/ren and so it is best maybe to tell them that you are going to file a federal lawsuit right from the start.

If you signed sigs under duress for their programs then one should go and file a federal law suit right off....this is how it appears to me.
If this is the case then this is the FIRST step we should be telling people to do that come to the site.

Can you post where I can read this.
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This is not legal advice;hopefully wisdom

To put it in simple terms…when the authorities ARE the perpetrators and the perpetrators ARE the authorities, there is no earthly justice or recourse, at the end of the day (unless the American people wake up).

Therefore, those who have achieved the highest levels of power seek to ‘enjoy’ the most grievous and extreme injustices. For many of those in the highest circles of power, the greatest statement of power is to perpetrate the greatest possible injustice…the savage, brutal traumatization and abuse of an innocent child.
http://themurkynews.blogspot.com/ MattTwoFour

"Ultimately, the law is only as good as the judge" --- D.X. Yue, 2005, in "law, reason and judicial fraud"
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Postby good dad » Sat Jun 11, 2005 12:52 pm

By being put on hold does that mean they can't go any further with the investigation but, that everything else they have done is also put on hold and that would mean the child would still be in their custody until they are proven wrong.


I beleive they won't go overboard with demands from you as anything can be considered retaliation and would help your lawsuit.

if cps starts to snoop around you know that they are coming for your child/ren and so it is best maybe to tell them that you are going to file a federal lawsuit right from the start.


This may only make them stay closer to the guidlines and make sure they "cover all their bases" which is giving them a "heads up" to what you may do..

Federal lawsuits are not cheap....A lot of people can't file, gather their evidence in a legally documented way and present your case in front of a judge fighting a cps agency's lawyer on their own...They need to hire a lawyer..Yes there are some that will take the case "pro-bono" but your case has to look mighty appealing to them with a high win ratio..
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CPS owns court appointed lawyers in california!!

Postby RCDavis » Thu May 25, 2006 12:06 pm

[color=blue][/color ] I got a court appointed attorney through San Benardino county Cps. Her name is Monica Cazares. The most I have ever spoken to her is 5 minutes. She actually told me to just do what CPS says, or It would be EXTREMELY difficult to get my kids back. From what I have found out, my kids should have never been taken, but she didn't do anything for me. I have been calling & leaving messages for her to call me back for over a month now, to no avail. She is owned by CPS and nothing I try will help, So I have become my own lawyer of sorts, doing my own research online, and due to my efforts, am about to get my kids back. No Thanks to my "Attorney".

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Postby Dazeemay » Thu May 25, 2006 12:14 pm

So I have become my own lawyer of sorts, doing my own research online, and due to my efforts, am about to get my kids back


What steps have you taken to get to this point?

Perhaps if you put a separate post it would help.

Thanks
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This is not legal advice;hopefully wisdom

To put it in simple terms…when the authorities ARE the perpetrators and the perpetrators ARE the authorities, there is no earthly justice or recourse, at the end of the day (unless the American people wake up).

Therefore, those who have achieved the highest levels of power seek to ‘enjoy’ the most grievous and extreme injustices. For many of those in the highest circles of power, the greatest statement of power is to perpetrate the greatest possible injustice…the savage, brutal traumatization and abuse of an innocent child.
http://themurkynews.blogspot.com/ MattTwoFour

"Ultimately, the law is only as good as the judge" --- D.X. Yue, 2005, in "law, reason and judicial fraud"
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Postby Greegor » Thu May 25, 2006 5:11 pm

Bob:
Statute of limitation for Fed Ch 42 Sec 1983 and 1985 suits
is tied to STATE statutes of limitation which I thought
was pretty wierd.

Iowa would be 2 years, except they made a 5 year
exception for insurance companies and the Fed court
uses that. There is federal caselaw to that effect.

As to when the 5 years starts to TOLL, I
have heard that this can start not when
the abuse took place, but in a situation
where the agency has you by the er.. parts,
the tolling can start when the system
finally lets you go.

I would like to see some solid confirmation
that tolling can be started when the
nightmare agency lets go rather than
when they begin to abuse a family.

Does that make sense?

If true this would give families much more
opportunity to sue!

It seems related to the fact that kids
abused in the system run out of
time to sue the agency a few years
after they turn 18 and get out.

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Postby Bob_Lynn » Thu May 25, 2006 5:45 pm

Actually, I learned a bit more about statute of limitations a short while ago. Although there are certain fixed statutes of limitation, it is actually up to the judge to rule on it when challenged and it is appealable. The statute of limitations in civil cases depends on the venue, but let's say it's 2 years. That's true except that could be either 2 years from when the incident took place or 2 years from discovery. That is, for example, children who have been abused, can actually sue well into their adulthood if they first discover as adults, that they were abused during their childhood.
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Postby Greegor » Thu May 25, 2006 6:11 pm

Yes, date of discovery can be important in some cases,
and conceivably my family could use that because of the
secrecy the agency maintains regarding the agency
case file.

My family actually NEEDS caselaw to the effect that
tolling starts when the agency lets go, because
they have maintained their grip for the full 5 years
available here.

I have heard that you are not expected to sue
people when they are holding your family hostage.
While you can, please notice that many sources
say to get them home and THEN sue.

The problem is when they drag it out for 5 years
and it was all based on caseworker PERJURY
that was never prosecuted (conflict of interest!).

I have also pondered the fact that since this
is an ONGOING ENTERPRISE that we should
have more time.
Isn't that what they use in RACKETEERING cases?
The ONGOING ENTERPRISE angle?

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Postby Bob_Lynn » Thu May 25, 2006 6:43 pm

Now you're getting into potential RICO issues and I know at least one federal appeals court that decided RICO is not applicable to government workers (how convenient) but I also know another federal court allowed a RICO claim to continue though the pleadings stage.

As far as statute of limitations, the problem with going beyond the stated limit and hoping to prevail on discovery is that you're dependent on the court to agree. Which means you're gambling with the cost of filing a suit that has a chance of being dismissed.
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Postby makaylajayncharlie » Thu May 25, 2006 6:45 pm

yes i agree, it erks me that they take the words of innocent children and turn them around and minupliate the family and children and use it against the parents and they are just as innccent here, and make you sign papers that what my lawyer made me do just as we were going into court and didnt have time to argue i did it..... and that was a 2 year order for our boys ....

i never knew anything and now i do i wish i did back then so do beat your self up over it.... you only regret it later......

you need to be strong for the children and to beat cps at their own game takes time and paeitnece but worth it,

stacey :D

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Postby Greegor » Thu May 25, 2006 7:18 pm

Bob: I understand but it seems plausible that
there is controlling caselaw out there that
would help tremendously.

It would cut way down on the unpredictability
you expressed concern about.

I've gotta go bang away on Westlaw
at the courthouse law library.

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Postby Bob_Lynn » Thu May 25, 2006 7:26 pm

Good luck, sorry I don't have any case law on statutes of limitation, mostly because I haven't needed it, but if and when you find some, please share.
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Postby Greegor » Thu May 25, 2006 7:33 pm

Stacey:
Twisting what kids say?
Here we use a "child protection center"
facility connected to a hospital.
They do the sexual abuse exams.
(Even where there is no reason!)

and there is a video tape interview.

A qualified interviewer would ask questions
about how the child came to believe x.
Epistemology is what it's called.
They should ask questions that would
reveal how many times the child has
been asked the same questions etc.

It's well known that repeatedly asking
kids about the blue aliens on the roof
will create a concrete reality for them
about that. Repetition "telegraphs"
what the interviewers want to hear.

But almost none of these interviewers
are truly qualified. They do not ask
the epistemology questions.

I asserted several years ago publicly
that these ham-handed interviews
might actually HELP a genuine criminal
get off the hook.

That almost actually happenned here
several months back.

Two sicko brothers violated a little girl.
One molested her and the other killed her.

The molestor would have gotten
the video thrown out completely except
his attorney thought of it a few days too late.

The corrupt interviews not only are an abuse
of parents in Juvenile court, and an abuse of the kids,
but they can actually contaminate
any REAL criminal cases that come along.

Yes, it's horrible how they twist what
kids say.

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Postby ericb » Fri May 26, 2006 11:07 pm

I have a different take on "Abuse Exams". When it became obvious that my daughter was being abused in foster hell, I called the Nancy Sinatra Children's Center, supposedly a first class operation. At first they were extremely helpful until I told them that the abuse was occuring in foster hell and that CPS had been duly informed. There was an immediate and perceptible shift in their attitude. Suddenly, it became impossible for them to examine my daughter for abuse. I was dumbfounded. They actually refused to examine my daughter once she was returned to me and no explanation was ever given as to why.
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Postby Greegor » Sat May 27, 2006 3:44 pm

I'd be picketing them based on that one.
Signs saying "Why do you refuse to
do sex abuse exams on kids
abused IN Foster care?".

I assume it was too far back to sue them..


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