DESTROY CALIFORNIA CPS!

[dasuberding]

Hi,
On February 01, 2005, Placer County CPS abducted our 8-year-old son from his elementary school and since then has proceeded to lie, manipulate, and coerce. It doesn’t help that our son helped them along the way but he doesn’t know any better. I have been charged with felony willful cruelty (which has since been down graded) and my wife has been charged with felony failure to protect. Protect from what? Nothing happened! A judge has rubber stamped the CPS suggestion that I need to take 18 weeks of a domestic violence class, drug and alcohol urine tests (I don’t do drugs and rarely drink), and my wife has been ordered to take 12 weeks of domestic violence therapy. This has been all based on lies that my 8 year old told the CPS agent and lies and distortions told to the judge by the CPS agent.
Since the abduction, my son has been placed in two foster homes and the CPS agent has threatened us with the adoptions of our 8 year old and our 15 month old and has also threatened to “drag this out in court” if we don’t sign certain forms. Well, we are going to fight CPS! I have not admitted guilt and my wife is obviously not guilty of what she is being accused with and we will not go down with out a fight. My wife and I will follow any court ordered mandates but anything CPS throws at us that doesn’t have a judges signature on it is going to be thrown in the trash or saved and copied for the impending lawsuit.
Any help or suggestions would be most welcome. I’m also looking for information on how to get the media involved in this. We know that CPS hates the media. We also urge all Californians reading this to sign the Governor's petitions for the November ballot as his proposed budget would greatly reduce the funding that California CPS gets. Pretty much eliminating the program down to the bare essentials.

[Dazeemay]

It angers me that they take the word of a child over the parent. Kids do not know how to put things into presepective but, CPS does not give a tinkers d.. about that. They want money. Their avarice can be seen in every state in the country and other countries.

When my oldest daughter was six she went around telling people her dad was mad at me. It was quite to say the least. Finally we got to the bottom of it. My husband told me in front of our children that he was madly in love with their mother. This was her perspective on a very loving situation. She understood the word mad because everyone often says that word in their daily conversations if they get upset about something.S he wanted to express how happy she was that her dad loved her mom. She could not repeat the sentence she just remembered that one word.

I am new at this myself because this happened to us on February 16th.

I, like you, am trying to figure out a way to get back at the system. The only way I know now is to spout off at them.

Read everything you can and keep asking questions. I have been on this board since the 7th. I have stayed up nights reading and reading. I am getting a better understanding.

[LindaJM]

Any help or suggestions would be most welcome. I’m also looking for information on how to get the media involved in this. We know that CPS hates the media. We also urge all Californians reading this to sign the Governor's petitions for the November ballot as his proposed budget would greatly reduce the funding that California CPS gets. Pretty much eliminating the program down to the bare essentials.

Welcome dasuberding... I'm so sorry they tricked you into signing their papers. This definitely deserves a lawsuit. But wait until after you get your children back. Do everything the judge orders. If you are ordered to do something else by the caseworkers you can request an Administrative Hearing and tell the Administrative Law Judge (ALJ) what's going on and why you shouldn't be forced to do that.

Stay in touch and let us know how things are going.

Linda

[dasuberding]

(Welcome dasuberding... I'm so sorry they tricked you into signing their papers. This definitely deserves a lawsuit. But wait until after you get your children back. Do everything the judge orders. If you are ordered to do something else by the caseworkers you can request an Administrative Hearing and tell the Administrative Law Judge (ALJ) what's going on and why you shouldn't be forced to do that.)

Hi Linda, well, that's the thing see. they don't have both my kids, just one. This whole case has been made up by CPS and they know that they don't have enough to take my 15 month old. CPS abducted my 8 year old from his school. We didn't even have a chance! CPS keeps digging themselves into a bigger and bigger hole everytime they open their mouths and they are going to pay for this in the end. We are even going to go after certain person's immunity becaused they perjured themselves in court and we have proof. They can't even keep track of their lies properly. Anyway, we love your site and it's comforting to see that we are not the only innocent people out there being taken advantage of. CPS is destroying themselves!

[LindaJM]

CPS is destroying themselves!

The sooner, the better!

Linda (also a California resident)

[mvalenti]

My wife and I will follow any court ordered mandates but anything CPS throws at us that doesn’t have a judges signature on it is going to be thrown in the trash or saved and copied for the impending lawsuit.

When it's over you will find that no matter how wrong they were, you won't be able to touch them. Lawyers won't waste their time, qualified immunity protects CPS from all but the worst of sins.

[dasuberding]

Not true. I have found recent cases in California where the judges have stripped certain "case workers" immunities from them, thus leaving them open to prosecution but this was probably under extreme circumstances. Like you said, the worst of sins.

[lexsmom]

I have had some serious problems with Placer County CPS. I would love to know where your case is. I have some info on some of these lovely CPS workers. The CPS worker got transferred to Rocklin, during my case. (after telling her supervisor what was up with her) I have insisted this sociopath get fired and return any monies I have lost with "medical advocate" They have admitted fault, although pretty vague. They did not bite at my offer, it would have been so easy. I have reliable, unreproachable witnesses and videotape. In short, the CPS worker retailated against me with her boyfriend, a detective, for calling her a bimo hoochie. They came to take my little girl to a large receiving home in Auburn, with a sick saditisitic smile. I was a lucky one though, "one-uping" them by signing custody over to my mother. I am still not the same though. These Placer County psychos must be stopped.

[LindaJM]

I've heard very bad things about CPS cases in Placer county in the past. We should be exchanging information on caseworkers. I'm not in that county........ and don't know them, but I know some fascinating information on caseworkers in the county I live in. Maybe for each state area here we should have an ongoing thread on each county so people living in each locality would be able to find local victims to share notes with.

Linda

[LindaJM]

Don't worry about their so-called "immunities". When you file a FEDERAL civil rights lawsuit against the caseworkers, there's NO IMMUNITIES.

Linda

[dasuberding]

Good News! Our son was returned to us about a month ago after threatening these morons with Federal Court and we haven't heard from them since. the last social worker we dealt with was honest and actually pushed for reunification. it was the legal dept. and this joke of a lawyer that supposedly represented my son that was fighting reunification. This joke of a lawyer is not even ABA certified and we ran a background check on her and found that she is an adoption lawyer (minimal skills) and she bought her degree from a degree mill. So, we requested a hearing and the only people against reunification was the morons of Placer County CPS Legal dept. They had some "issues" but didn't voice them. We told them that these "issues" better hold up Federal Court because that's where they are headed and they crumpled. COWARDS! These half-wits love to hide behind the law while they violate you and your family's civil rights every chance they get. We are still going to drag them to federal court though and if we don't get what we want, the media will be notified! I am sure Placer County would love negative media attention right before the November elections. WHAT HAVE WE LEARNED? DO NOT TRUST THE STATE OR IT'S REPRESENTATIVES! These devious immoral dolts have one agenda on their minds and that is profit from the destruction of the American family. Personally, I would have them deported to N. Korea so they can appreciate the true "socialist" dream in a country where "Big Brother" rules. 1984 is here, like it or not, and as American's (and myself being a combat vet sworn to uphold the constitution) it is our duty to thow these bums out on their asses and never let them back in. Socialism is a pipe dream and will never work in the long run. Look at the problems that Western Europe are having now.

[dasuberding]

I read testimony and is sound like the typical Placer County method of operation. Sounds like you have a clear cut Federal case against Placer County CPS and the sherrifs dept, as well as the detective. This is a pure abuse of power and a violation of civil rights under the color of law. Take them to Federal court and watch them squirm. A lot of these police and social workers go into their chosen line of work because of issues these individuals have with power. I noticed in college and when I was in the military. They are essentially bullies and love to hide behind their badges and titles and like all bullies, they fold when you stand up to them and strike back. I'm not saying all cops are bad but this situation my family has been through has soured my perspective of them. They are not promoting justice but defending injust laws. As for social workers, they are the leeches of society. I am not and will never be a socialist and have never taken part in any social programs and as a student of American history, I have found that socialism is about as un-American you can get besides going the whole way to communism. Anyway, take these scumbags to federal court.

[mugalug]

Don't you have to sue in State court first, then work your way up to Federal Court? Or are there some loopholes that I don't know about? The reason I am asking, is we plan on suing CPS (in another state). Also, can I sue the accuser separately, or would it have to be in the same suit? I bet it’s different in each State. The school counselor knowingly made a false accusation against me.

I think it was motivated by a personal vendetta against me because one, I wasn't getting my son on medication fast enough(he may or may not have ADHD. I have found that there are other things that mirror ADHD) two she doesn't like stay-at-home mothers and three we weren't born and raised there. She told me that since I am a stay-at-home mom, and I don't do anything that I had all the time in the world to apply for medical. I told her that I did apply, but she chose to ignore me.

She made it out like all I do all day is sit around eating bon bons and watching Lifetime. I was constantly busy. My Dh was gone all the time working in the field, so I had to be Mom and Dad to two boys, plus take care of the entire house, pay our bills, worry about where the money was going to come from to pay the bills, (we were barely living paycheck to paycheck at the time) and worry everyday if my Dh was going to come at the end of the job. It also seemed like she and my son's class and teacher didn't like us because we weren't from there.

I believe that she and the teacher just wanted him medicated so they didn't have to deal with him. The thing is they never wanted to believe that maybe it wasn't all my son, that the other kids in his class were either lying about him or picking on him. I know that kids didn't like my son because no one from his class came to his birthday party. How cruel and heartless is that? My Mom and I believe that his teacher may have had a hand in that.

It would have been one thing if it were just the kids he was "picking" on, but it was the entire class. He was invited to one birthday party at the beginning of the school year, but none after that. What really got me is one of his classmates lived down the street from us. I met his parents on Halloween. They know that he comes from a good family. He didn't come or call either, yet every time they drove by our house they waved. What hypocrites!

Anyway, sorry to go off like that. It just makes me angry that people can be so cruel to others, especially when they claim to want to help you. That's why it happened. I went to the school for help getting medical for my kids and help for my son, then the witch turns around and stabs me in the back and turns me in on a lie. I read in that state in I believe 1998 over 140,000 kids didn’t' t have medical. Yet I am one of the few that gets turned in for it, when I have seen kids in his class that desperately needed dental care because their teeth were rotting out?

But, I am a bad Mother for not having medical. My kids are healthy and well taken care of, and not living in a house or apartment that is falling apart in a bad neighborhood where there are drugs being sold around the corner, or people being murdered. When he needed his chicken pox shot and a physical, we paid for it out of pocket. A Doctor hadn’t diagnosed him, but yet the school claims they diagnosed him? They don't have the power or the authority to do that. Sorry, went off again. Anyway, just wondering if it can be taken straight to Federal Court or if you have to go through the State first.

[good dad]

The reason most say Federal lawsuit is:

1. It is easier to win there.
2. Most laws and rights that are broken are Federal.
3. The feds don't care where the states have to find the money if
you win. ( states would have to take it out of 1 pocket to pay
the other)
4. Federal judges stand up for your constitutional rights, civil
rights and stand by Federal laws, which supercede state laws.


Bob_Lynn may have more to add as to why....

[Bob_Lynn]

Although you may want to sue on another issue, the way it's normally done, you sue everyone involved in the same suit and in federal district court for violation of your civil rights under color of law. It's called a Section 1983 suit. You sue all individuals in their official and personal capacity. It costs $250 to start a federal civil suit and it's your responsibility to serve all parties with the complaint. Serving the parties can be costly as well if you use process servers or the sheriff. You can avoid some of that cost by mailing the complaint to some or all of the parties via certified mail but you take the chance that they will not pick it up.

Even though violation of civil rights is a federal issue, you also cite all the applicable state laws that were violated.

[Dazeemay]

Thanks Bob_Lynn,

Can one start the Federal Law suit even before the abjuration hearing?

Will it put, so to speak, "the fear of god" in them and cause them to back off.

[Bob_Lynn]

There is nothing to prevent you from filing a federal civil suit at any time. The statute of limitations is 2 years from the date when the violation occurred. The exact timing may more be strategically advantageous after they've done all their misdeeds but it's impossible for me to determine that. It's also impossible to know if they will back off once there's a federal lawsuit hanging over their heads but I would guess the odds are pretty good they will.

[dasuberding]

First, the school has no right to make diagnosis if your son has ADHD or not. they are not medical professionals and the ones who are working for the county are probably border line quacks. Somewhat similiar to the psuedo science of the Nazis. You need to remember that these teachers work for the county and want to put kids into the programs so they can provide more jobs for more useless people. California is the mother of all welfare states and these morons would love nothing more than to have every Californian in a program. This justifies their existence. Since we have our son home, we have enrolled him in a private school and have watched his behavior change over night. it's not your son but the teacher's problem and she DOES want him medicated to make him more cooperative. My son was also diagnosed with ADHD and we medicated him for a while (on our own dime), but we noticed a drastic change in his personality and took him off the meds. That when the psuedo-psycho morons of the Children's System of CARE came into our lives. These CARE scumbags are CPS. I suggest you somehow get your kid enrolled in a private school, tell these socialist scumbags to take a hike, and then sue the hell out of them. CPS California wide is set to take a major funding loss come the next fiscal year and I believe they are going nuts trying to defend their all ready over inflated budget. Plus, having border line sociopaths as employees doesn't help. Don't bother trying to sue them on the county level and don't bother with their mediation system. This is like going to the coach of the opposite team to complain about the opposite teams play infractions. You won't get anywhere. Since they violated your and your family's civil rights this makes it a Federal matter and the Federal courts are not friends of the CPS system. Also, since Placer County CPS has a past history of massive civil right violations, they will be charged just on that alone. Last, if you are on any type of County or State assistance, get off it ASAP. As you have learned and I have learned from investigating this corrupt, vile system, everything comes at acost and nothing is free. THESE IDIOTS ARE SOCIALISTS AND WANT TO DESTROY THE AMERICAN FAMILY SO THEY CAN SUPPLY JOBS FOR MORE IDIOT SOCIALISTS!

[Dazeemay]

Thanks to both of you.

I don't plan on suing them on their turf that is why I am going right off with the Federal Court.

I began to realize as I posted sometime back it doesn't matter if you sue the state or not the federal government doesn't care if they have to foot the bill and evidently the states don't care either because they have some law suits they have lost so no big deal to them because they go right on doing what they are doing.

That is why I am not fooling around with them just yet.

[Dazeemay]

Serving the parties can be costly as well if you use process servers or the sheriff. You can avoid some of that cost by mailing the complaint to some or all of the parties via certified mail but you take the chance that they will not pick it up.

Can I hand deliver it to them.......I would love to see their faces if I can?

Also, I have read at various times on posts that the government protects cps actions and lets them get away with all of this yet why would they be like this

Since they violated your and your family's civil rights this makes it a Federal matter and the Federal courts are not friends of the CPS system

Or is it one of these things where the federal government looks the other way as long as you don't come into our turf with people suing. I suspect this is the reason. Guess I might have answered my own question.

[lexsmom]

This is a post to the statement that most lawyers won't touch cases due to qualified immunity. Although this is true (the lawyers)-do your research my friend (like you have the time with your life in a shambles) The 3rd and 9th district courts have both very recently come back with with decisions giving these liars and cowards no immunity due to their behavior) I could kiss those judges.

[Dazeemay]

OMG!!!I remember reading that but it was a time when I was really in a shambles in the last few days.

I could kiss you tooo

Pariann posted how to do this.....I often did graphic gifs on another site I was on but was reluctant to do them here as I did not want to add distraction to the post.....but on posts like this I am going to do more of them.

[mugalug]

When I was forced to put my son on meds (due to trying to get the school off our backs) it was through private insurance. Even though we couldn't afford it, we still did it. The State screwed up my application. That's what started the ball rolling. At first the meds seem to work, then my son's moods got worse. He became very angry and nasty to me. My Dh noticed it. Also he had a hard time sleeping at night. He has that restless leg syndrome. His legs had to be rubbed for him to be able to go to sleep and even then he didn't always go to sleep for a while. Were talking 11:00pm when bedtime is 8:00pm. We took him off it and his attitude is better, and his legs don't bother him and he can sleep. Thanks for explaining why you should go to Federal Court. I figured that State Court would be a waste of time and money anyway.

We are looking into private school. We have been wanting to do that before he ever started school, to due there are less distractions during the day (like useless assemblies) and generally smaller class sizes, but we couldn't financially, plus we ended up moving right before the school year started. Hopefully, we can get him into private school for next year. I will never trust the State or any public school ever again. They are vultures waiting to prey on our children. Oh, I also feel that the counselor wanted to destroy our family, because I was told that the school wanted him evaluated by a mental health professional (he was seen by the school psychologist for the evaluation) and if I didn't the school would keep calling CPS and eventually it would result in the removal of both my kids, even though this was all about my school aged son. Why else would they threaten to keep calling if he was already being treated?

I feel that I was lucky that they didn't get my kids. I was so upset, scared, stressed, and angry just from that. I can't even imagine what everyone if feeling who kids were stolen. Probably what I felt, times 20. (((((((big hugs to all of you))))))) I am glad that we were able to move away from there. Those people are nuts in that school. I wonder how many other innocent families she did this too just because they weren't doing what she wanted? She needs to be fired as well as the teacher. I have had bad teachers, but none like her. I hope that one day CPS everywhere goes down in flames. Maybe if all of us file suits in Federal Court around the same time and get media attention, then maybe maybe the Government will realize there is a HUGE problem with CPS. (Doubt it though. It would probably take one of their kids being taken away for that to happen.) Thanks for the information. I'll keep you all posted on what happens.

[Dazeemay]

We are looking into private school

Do not be fooled by this route. My daughter is a teacher at a private school and they are told to report to CPS also.

I have a friend that teaches in a private christian school and the same goes there.

Best bet is home schooling.

One thing you have to understand about christian and private schools is that the most of them operate now under government control.

The one school my daughter is teaching in was never under government control and now is.

[lexsmom]

Everyone is talking about suing, of course it is necessary. But I have done A TON of thinking about this. They can throw a couple of million dollars in my lap (like that is going to happen) and it is not going to make myself and my family OK again. I am going in the proper direction if you want to call it that. I asked for "equitable relief" in my case, and was denied. County money should be for the people. Better schools, etc. A senior citizen to be able to stay at home instead of a nursing home, someone who worked all their lives and paid their taxes, but their tax dollars are going to be spent huge lawsuits because the county's policy is to protect the liars and cowards instead of get rid of them. It is sickening and disgusting. I am still a bit in the neive stage, but I guess a huge lawsuit will finally make someone get fired-how pathetic. The answer is right in front of their faces. Money does not bring justice. I want justice. I would like these idiots to be arrested with conspiracy, perjury, etc. Let a jury of their peers decide. I know what any jury would decide given the clear cut evidence in my case. But it will never happen. The DA and others are just as dirty and stick up for one another. I will be praying for grand jury relief for some sort of justice.