I have been on this siteseveraltimes and no one is ever here.
AAll I readis ad stories and I see no hope in any case...Can someone change my mind...I need to tak to someone...please!
[email protected]
How come there is no one evron here for support?
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Hi, and welcome to the site.
If you would like to tell us about your situation, you can post a description.
If you have specific questions, post them here also.
If you would like to send a private message to someone here, you can do that. Look for the code "PM" at the bottom of their posts. Or click their name.
Personally, I prefer to communicate openly on the forum so others can contribute information to the same issue. None of us knows everything. There are no right and wrong decisions. The system is set up so that parents are in a "double bind." If they do one thing, it can work against them, and if they do the opposite it can work against them also.
Parents must learn the laws and policies for their state and hold the system accountable. Other parents on this forum are struggling with problems also, and many times feel helpless while waiting for things to happen.
Here is the federal child welfare site. This helps you look up things on your own.
http://www.childwelfare.gov/
Here are the state laws and policies.
http://www.childwelfare.gov/systemwide/ ... ies/state/
Let us know if you need help finding particular things, or don't understand something.
Here is a link for newcomers.
http://forum.fightcps.com/viewtopic.php?t=6559
It gives a framework for asking a newcomer questions.
1. Do you know who reported you to CPS?
2. What were the allegations?
3. What are the ages of the children who are the subject of the report?
4. Who is the alleged perpetrator of the report?
5. What was the response of CPS?
6. Were the children interviewed?
7. Was the alleged perpetrator interviewed?
8. Was there a risk and safety assessment?
9. Was there a medical exam of the children, psychological evaluation, drug testing?
10. Was the child placed in out-of-home relative care?
11. Was there a Safety Plan? Did you get a copy? Did the agency offer services?
12. Have you been to court?
etc.
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Hi, and welcome to the site.
If you would like to tell us about your situation, you can post a description.
If you have specific questions, post them here also.
If you would like to send a private message to someone here, you can do that. Look for the code "PM" at the bottom of their posts. Or click their name.
Personally, I prefer to communicate openly on the forum so others can contribute information to the same issue. None of us knows everything. There are no right and wrong decisions. The system is set up so that parents are in a "double bind." If they do one thing, it can work against them, and if they do the opposite it can work against them also.
Parents must learn the laws and policies for their state and hold the system accountable. Other parents on this forum are struggling with problems also, and many times feel helpless while waiting for things to happen.
Here is the federal child welfare site. This helps you look up things on your own.
http://www.childwelfare.gov/
Here are the state laws and policies.
http://www.childwelfare.gov/systemwide/ ... ies/state/
Let us know if you need help finding particular things, or don't understand something.
Here is a link for newcomers.
http://forum.fightcps.com/viewtopic.php?t=6559
It gives a framework for asking a newcomer questions.
1. Do you know who reported you to CPS?
2. What were the allegations?
3. What are the ages of the children who are the subject of the report?
4. Who is the alleged perpetrator of the report?
5. What was the response of CPS?
6. Were the children interviewed?
7. Was the alleged perpetrator interviewed?
8. Was there a risk and safety assessment?
9. Was there a medical exam of the children, psychological evaluation, drug testing?
10. Was the child placed in out-of-home relative care?
11. Was there a Safety Plan? Did you get a copy? Did the agency offer services?
12. Have you been to court?
etc.
.
Can I contest a case
How do I go about contesting a case that has falsley accused me of allegations and bring it ot court?
I;m so tired of weting about this online, I'd rather speak to someone...I'd even call
any takers?
[email protected]
I;m so tired of weting about this online, I'd rather speak to someone...I'd even call
any takers?
[email protected]
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As you can see from this court case, parents can get involved in the System with not much original evidence, but in order to get out they have to fight a totally new set of problems.
http://www.state.il.us/court/Opinions/A ... 020991.htm
On appeal, the father argued that, because the decree of neglect was necessary for the trial court to determine that he had failed to make reasonable efforts to correct the conditions of neglect and thereby terminate his parental rights,
the finding of neglect must also be established by clear and convincing evidence.
... The reviewing court rejected this argument on three grounds...
First,
the court noted that, in previously considering the issue, it had determined that one's parental rights were not terminated under section 1(D)(m) because of earlier conduct (the basis for the neglect petition)
but rather new conduct (failure to correct conditions). ... Only to this new conduct did the clear and convincing evidence standard apply.
Second,
the court found that in Enis the supreme court indicated that it would uphold a determination of parental unfitness for failure to correct conditions of neglect even though the original finding of neglect was established only by a preponderance of the evidence...
Third,
the S.A. court found that requiring the original neglect finding to be proved again at a later hearing would not work well in practice...
The court explained that the later termination hearing might occur several years after the prior neglect hearing and proof might be lost and memories dulled...
Based on all these reasons, the court found that section... did not deprive the father of his due process rights. ..
.
As you can see from this court case, parents can get involved in the System with not much original evidence, but in order to get out they have to fight a totally new set of problems.
http://www.state.il.us/court/Opinions/A ... 020991.htm
On appeal, the father argued that, because the decree of neglect was necessary for the trial court to determine that he had failed to make reasonable efforts to correct the conditions of neglect and thereby terminate his parental rights,
the finding of neglect must also be established by clear and convincing evidence.
... The reviewing court rejected this argument on three grounds...
First,
the court noted that, in previously considering the issue, it had determined that one's parental rights were not terminated under section 1(D)(m) because of earlier conduct (the basis for the neglect petition)
but rather new conduct (failure to correct conditions). ... Only to this new conduct did the clear and convincing evidence standard apply.
Second,
the court found that in Enis the supreme court indicated that it would uphold a determination of parental unfitness for failure to correct conditions of neglect even though the original finding of neglect was established only by a preponderance of the evidence...
Third,
the S.A. court found that requiring the original neglect finding to be proved again at a later hearing would not work well in practice...
The court explained that the later termination hearing might occur several years after the prior neglect hearing and proof might be lost and memories dulled...
Based on all these reasons, the court found that section... did not deprive the father of his due process rights. ..
.
I understand your frustrations. I am just learning my self how to fight this. There are much more knowledgeable people here, but I can offer what I do know and emotional support.
"No Honey, you can't help mommy make cookies for Santa, 'cause it might make a mess, then CPS will take you away 'cause the house isn't spotless." <-----What I should have told my 4 yr old daughter.
E-mail that I sent:
Telephone help without posted story
From: Greg Hanson ([email protected])
Sent: Wed 12/12/07 6:38 AM
To: [email protected]
You posted in FightCPS.com as Cabbar saying you want to talk on the phone?
What state are you in?
Systems vary from state to state so the advice would also.
What kind of help would you like?
Moral support, sympathy, tactics, explanation of how the system works?
What are you after?
Everybody else in FightCPS posts a summary
of their story and their problems, so why don't you?
You don't have to mention the child's name, your real name
or even your city, but you should explain your state,
and your circumstances so that the GROUP can
give you concerted answers to issues.
The agencies keep playing cute little "spy games"
and burrowing into Family Rights groups to
try to disrupt Family Rights groups from the inside.
You've been in FightCPS for TWO MONTHS
and you think the stories are all hopeless?
I can assure you they are not.
Are you actually a parent with a child in the system?
Leave out your city and names
for you and your kids, but...
You should be able to tell your state, a
summary of the circumstances, the parts
that are wrong or right, the things you think
the agency screwed up and why they are
wrong and you are right.
If you're not brave enough to post those,
then you will likely be eaten alive in the
court process, perhaps even by your OWN
attorney. If you don't have enough of
a fighting spirit to speak up a bit more, what
good would ANY advice do for you?
The agencies are feeling considerable pressure
of late and the level of agency "dirty tricks"
seems to have gone up proportionately.
There are different security issues involved in
telephone contact.
319-550-1421
Greg Hanson
Cedar Rapids, Iowa
I'm in the phone book, are you?
Telephone help without posted story
From: Greg Hanson ([email protected])
Sent: Wed 12/12/07 6:38 AM
To: [email protected]
You posted in FightCPS.com as Cabbar saying you want to talk on the phone?
What state are you in?
Systems vary from state to state so the advice would also.
What kind of help would you like?
Moral support, sympathy, tactics, explanation of how the system works?
What are you after?
Everybody else in FightCPS posts a summary
of their story and their problems, so why don't you?
You don't have to mention the child's name, your real name
or even your city, but you should explain your state,
and your circumstances so that the GROUP can
give you concerted answers to issues.
The agencies keep playing cute little "spy games"
and burrowing into Family Rights groups to
try to disrupt Family Rights groups from the inside.
You've been in FightCPS for TWO MONTHS
and you think the stories are all hopeless?
I can assure you they are not.
Are you actually a parent with a child in the system?
Leave out your city and names
for you and your kids, but...
You should be able to tell your state, a
summary of the circumstances, the parts
that are wrong or right, the things you think
the agency screwed up and why they are
wrong and you are right.
If you're not brave enough to post those,
then you will likely be eaten alive in the
court process, perhaps even by your OWN
attorney. If you don't have enough of
a fighting spirit to speak up a bit more, what
good would ANY advice do for you?
The agencies are feeling considerable pressure
of late and the level of agency "dirty tricks"
seems to have gone up proportionately.
There are different security issues involved in
telephone contact.
319-550-1421
Greg Hanson
Cedar Rapids, Iowa
I'm in the phone book, are you?
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