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Re: Hello

Postby Momoffor » Fri Apr 16, 2010 4:02 pm

Maybe Im confused here, but arent the kids already in WV? Since the case was transferred to WV ?

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Re: Hello

Postby WhiteHaven » Sat Apr 17, 2010 8:47 am

No. We left for West Va February 18th and came back March 19th. Around the end of February the DFCS down here in Georgia transferred the case to West Va and she told me personally they had nothing else to do with it because we were in a different state. Well we came back to Georgia because we could only stay with my wife's mother for 2 weeks because of where she lives and then we stayed with her grandmother for around 2.5/3 weeks and decided it was time to come back to Georgia to wait on the apartments we were trying to get to contact us.Since then we have been staying with my parents and waiting to hear from the apartments up there I know they got our credit check back but they claimed to not gotten in contact with the other place we lived here in Georgia to make sure we owe no money to them. I need to call them on Monday actually. But since we have been back I know that DFCS here has been in contact with DFCS in West Virginia and gotten our Food Stamps and TANF cut off from up there which was our only source of money and getting food. I have called DFCS up there numerous times left dozens of messages and no one will call me back regarding this. So once we go back to West Va if we do we are going to have to apply all over again. Pretty much DFCS down here is trying to make sure we have no where else to go by getting our stuff cut off from up there claiming we are residents of Georgia again which we aren't we haven't even changed our mailing address back to Georgia yet and we aren't going to until I find out for sure about the apt in West Va. The DFCS here is just mad because we won't play ball with them and bend to their every demand.


I have a few questions. What does the papers being notarized have to do with them being legal?
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Can I use a video camera to tape their visits to my home if the judge orders us to work with them? We were having weekly visits by the counselor lady working for DFCS and DFCS themselves were coming out 2 or 3 times a month to check our home. I want to tape the visits so I have them as evidence if they try and claim our home is filthy etc.

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Re: Hello

Postby LindaJM » Sat Apr 17, 2010 12:29 pm

To fly under the CPS radar system, get off the system (TANF and F/S) because otherwise they are tracking you on their computer systems.

Leonard Henderson just wrote an editorial about recording in your home:
http://familyrights.us/news/archive/201 ... _home.html
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Re: Hello

Postby Dazeemay » Sat Apr 17, 2010 1:31 pm

Legal means it is recognized and has to be recognized by a judge. It's not to say that he will honor it but, if you sue that is in your favor. It is a form of protection for you. If they give you a warrant it must be notarized or it is not legal and you can use that for your defense. Everything that cps does is not legal and they are not a government entity. So, when they come a knocking let them know they are not the law or a form of the government so, therefore you do not have to do anything with them. If they give you a warrant then you have to deal with them. That is why you need to notarize guardianship papers. It is legal protection for you and your children.

Here is a definition of what it means http://www.worldlawdirect.com/article/9 ... y-faq.html

From this site http://www.investopedia.com/terms/n/notarize.asp "What Does Notarize Mean?
The act of officially certifying a legal document by a notary public. The purpose of having a legal document notarized is to ensure the authenticity of the signatures that appear on the document. Once notarized, a document will have much more legal credibility and will stand up much better in court if it is ever challenged."

When I first came onto this site we were informed of several things and that was if you got any government help it gave way to them to barge into your life. Our daughter got involved with them because the peditrician involved in our granddaughter's illness got upset because we sought out another dr.'s advice.

So, like Linda says you need to get out from under them.
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Re: Hello

Postby WhiteHaven » Sat Apr 17, 2010 3:44 pm

LindaJM wrote:To fly under the CPS radar system, get off the system (TANF and F/S) because otherwise they are tracking you on their computer systems.

Leonard Henderson just wrote an editorial about recording in your home:
http://familyrights.us/news/archive/201 ... _home.html



Thanks for the link that made it very obvious it is my right and I will be using that right as well. Yeah we plan on not getting that stuff wherever we move to next time or at least getting off of it asap.

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Re: Hello

Postby WhiteHaven » Sat Apr 17, 2010 3:50 pm

Alright couple of questions. Say these papers from the court are not notarized does that mean I still have to show up to court?

We signed a case plan it was for us to do the counseling and that is all and also to refrain from DV. Does this matter? Do we still have to abide by it? I didn't know any of this stuff when we signed it I was just trying to get them off my ass about things.

Do they even have a case since the D.A dropped the charges that brought all this on to us?

What if the Judge orders us to work with DFCS and that means us doing the counseling sessions and allowing DFCS in to our home to inspect it whenever they want. What do we do then? That is the entire reason we are going to court is because they claim we have missed several counseling sessions and our house if filthy.

Also where can I get the papers for the guardianship for free? I don't have any money since they cut our TANF off.

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Re: Hello

Postby Marina » Sat Apr 17, 2010 10:47 pm

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From this site, it looks like neither Georgia nor West Virginia has a differential response plan, which essentially means that everything is an investigation. There is no assessment track. Which kind of means that everything has to go through the court, including the Safety Plan.

http://www.ncsl.org/default.aspx?tabid=17800

Go to
http://www.childwelfare.gov/systemwide/ ... ies/state/

and look up case planning for Georgia and West Virginia. It is unclear how safety plans are handled in Georgia. Compare to WV where they call it an Improvement Period.




It is just impossible to advise on something like this because the state laws are so different.


For example, referring to the first link on the differential response system, in Virginia if a parent doesn't cooperate under a Safety Plan, they have to close the case. In other states, not cooperating triggers a transfer of the case to the investigation track. Compare to MO, for example, where the wording leans more toward kicking over to an investigation if the family continues to refuse services. Look in the right-hand column under Reclassification. Some states don't address the topic, so it is hard to know what to do.


So you see how there are no easy answers, and following somebody's advice on what worked in another state could be deadly.

You have to study the laws and regulations. Look up case law using the terms:

"improvement period" child "West Virginia" court opinion

Do the same for Georgia, using the term "safety plan." or "deprivation"

Here is something - a training manual for workers.
http://dfcs.dhr.georgia.gov/DHR-DFCS/DH ... milies.pdf


http://www.childwelfare.net/DHR/policie ... 104_33.pdf
Search document for Georgia

http://www.gpdsc.com/resources-juvenile ... utline.htm

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Re: Hello

Postby LindaJM » Sat Apr 17, 2010 11:43 pm

You should never miss a counseling session if it is ordered by the court.

If your children are in GA they have jurisdiction over your kids, even if now you consider this only a temporary lodging.

Trying to be nice to these people and apologizing for not understanding their system might help.
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Re: Hello

Postby Momoffor » Sun Apr 18, 2010 1:15 am

WhiteHaven wrote:Do they even have a case since the D.A dropped the charges that brought all this on to us?


Yes. CPS and criminal court are 2 different animals. There is a parent here that was accused of murdering his daughter. FINALLY that was overturned and it was shown that she had died from a drug reaction NOT from being beat. However, CPS still pursued the abuse case against the family.

Just because there are no criminal charges, doesnt mean that there isnt a case. Most times there isnt a criminal matter. They operate under different entities. Something that is not a criminal charge of abuse or neglect, still is abuse and neglect for CPS, and they will pursue it as such also listing you in the child abuse registry for the state as being an abuser and neglecter without a judge, court, or jury ever hearing or seeing the case. Just some person who has a degree in a theory and learned on how to raise kids from a text book and is trying to save the world to battle their own demons makes that decision. (give you warm fuzzies yet?) Not co-operating will turn it into a court matter the more you resist and if you are held in contempt. And in that situation, I dont think I have heard of a story yet, where the judge sides with the uncorperative parent after all the BS that CPS has to say. They dont have to PROVE anything as far as evidence ect that would be required in a criminal court. Their word is good enough.

You still need to go to court if the papers are or are not notarized. This is to protect you and your family from what those monsters are going to do next.

Residing in one state and collecting welfare benefits from another can be considered welfare fraud. You have to be a resident of that state/county from which you are collecting, and have to be residing there.

Whenever you move from one state to another, there is a time frame you have to be residing in that state before you officially become a resident of that state. I know some states are 6 months, others are 1 year, and there are probably others with different amounts of time. The only exception to this is military members and dependents. Since you were only in WV for a short amount of time, and returned back to GA they are probably (not saying this is the case but very well could be) that you are not a legal resident of WV as you never established residency. (Just having an address there does not give you residency unless you are military exception). You ARE more than likely a LEGAL resident of GA. That WOULD give them full jurisdiction over your family.

You are more than likely still and always have been counted as a resident of GA. Leaving GA for a short period of time when all this came up, then returning to GA when you thought it was over makes you look like you have been on the run and avoiding CPS in GA. Especially not showing up in court, and your lack of desire to even go. The more you are resisting and looking for the way out, the more you are raising red flags.

I dont say cave to them, but you are going to have to co-operate, as I personally think that you are going from bad to worse situation since now you havent showed to court, and it just seems from your posts that you have no plans on going to the next one either.

No matter what anyone on the boards tells you as far as advice, the ultimate choice is yours to make. What is more important to you. and what are you willing to risk in your stance of just ignoring CPS. Its a VERY dangerous game to play and the stakes are high.

The thing that I would suggest you do if its not too late, is to see if the investigation from GA has been completed, and if it has, and again, if its not too late, Look into the appeals process and see what you can do to appeal their findings. (If they have even gotten that far). See if you are still within the time frame to appeal the CPS decision, and go from there. Its not going to be an easy thing that gets fixed within a day or a week or even a month. You are in it for the long haul.

Things and situations that can easily be explained away easily can get turned into 6 months - 1 year of services (or more) until the appeal process finally determines that CPS had no grounds to begin with, and the whole time you have to comply with those services otherwise they constantly threaten to take your kids from you and hold you as being uncooperative if you dont.

I am not trying to scare you, but I am not going to sugar coat things either. They are the new gestapo on US soil. Welcome to America. Land of the not so free, Home of the Brave, and the government raised child. Otherwise known as socialism.

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Re: Hello

Postby Dazeemay » Sun Apr 18, 2010 7:11 am

When we first came to this site looking for answers everything seemed so confusing. What steps to take, when to take them, etc.! We were so angry at times it clouded our thinking. Once we decided to fight it we began to see ways of taking a stand. We read everything we could on this site. Our lawyer did not want us to do an Objections/Corrections form but, we did it anyway because it was our legal right. We marched into the judges office and gave it to his secretary. He then had it on his podium during one of our hearings. CPS lawyer was furious.

Marina, Linda and Momoffor have given you some really good insite as to how cps operates. You have to get over the idea of trying to get out from under this by a no show. It doesn't work that way. Once they are in your life you have to go with the flow of what they want.

Now about notarizing. What I am trying to say is that in many instances a notarized copy gives you better protection. Our one granddaughter who was not under cps but, by an uncle duping our daughter and tricking her into giving him tempoary custody of our other granddaughter under the guise of protection from cps only to find out he was working with cps, our notarized copy of releasing her from under his care saved her and us in the Wis court. The judge recognized it and therefore he told the uncle he had no legal right to keep our granddaughter. Because we were one step ahead of the uncle by going on line and getting a revoking form for temporary guardianship and having it notarized we won.

What I was trying to say is if the papers are not notarized this can help you if you sue them. You would site laws stating where they would had to have been notarized. Sorry I was not clearer on that subject.

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Re: Hello

Postby LindaJM » Sun Apr 18, 2010 10:02 am

I don't know that the judge has to notarize every signature he makes. I've never noticed that on California legal papers.
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Re: Hello

Postby WhiteHaven » Sun Apr 18, 2010 5:09 pm

I do plan on going to court Thursday. I am the one that called the Judge's office and asked what was to happen next so I could possibly get something settled before we left for West Va but now its looking like we aren't going to be moving to West Va. I have every intention of going without my kids on Thursday and they can either like it and deal with it or continue the case and I will show up at every court date without my kids there is no law requiring me to bring the kids just so they can kidnap them easier.I will work with whatever the judge says up to removing my kids from my home. If he says that then I make a simple call to a relative and the kids will be taken elsewhere until we can come get them and leave the state. If that doesn't work we will come back here to our home and we will not let our kids be taken by the gestapo. Supposedly all they want us to do is work with them but they already screwed up by claiming in their papers that we have not done the assesment that was done in January both of us did it. I know more than likely they are going to lie to the judge and I probably won't get a say so in the matter of what they are lying about but what goes around comes around I am a very mean person and I hold grudges. This DFCS office is one of the most corrupt and I am tired of playing their games. Like how when we were in West Va the cps lady claimed that it was out of their hands and she didn't know why the judge still wanted us in court. Hell it was because she kept pushing it.

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Re: Hello

Postby WhiteHaven » Sun Apr 18, 2010 5:29 pm

The fact sheet thing I make myself what do I do with it once I am done writing it out?

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Postby LindaJM » Sun Apr 18, 2010 8:28 pm

If they lied in their paperwork then you can point that out using the Objections and Corrections format. Have it typed up and ready, and give it to your court appointed attorney. If you don't get an attorney, then have a copy for the CPS attorney and for the judge, when you go to court.

Please remember, they will have the upper hand. If they want your kids they can surround the house with police cars and force you to give them up. So tread lightly in court. I am hoping all the best for you!
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Re: Hello

Postby WhiteHaven » Tue Apr 20, 2010 11:34 am

OK I did the corrections and Objections form and its on my computer I need to fix a few things and add some but other than that its ready to go.Wish me luck we got court Thursday morning.

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Postby LindaJM » Wed Apr 21, 2010 1:25 am

Thinking about you and your family is keeping me awake at night. It is like there is too much fear. I wish there was some way I could take away the fear from you. I'm glad you did the objections and corrections. Please tell me there's absolutely nothing self-incriminating in there. Just some simple facts. I want you to feel empowered by that and to know that you're capable of getting through this terrible time in your lives. Be strong and steady for your family...

I honestly think both you and your wife should be in court. I understand you might have a child care problem with no money to pay a sitter. But they will probably want both of you there. Usually a summons is for both.

In any case, just know I'm thinking about you and hoping for the best.
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Re: Hello

Postby Momoffor » Wed Apr 21, 2010 3:02 am

I agree with Linda. It is a scary situation, but CPS is preying upon your fear. They are like the class bully, once they get you cornered and helpless they kick the hell out of you while you are down and steal your lunch money. Good luck in court.

P.S. Whatever you do, do NOT EVER mention to cps or in court that you will leave the state with your kids if they try to take them.

Pay very close attention to detail in court. Something that CPS is not good at. =) And keep in mind, this is a test of your true strength atm. Do NOT let CPS win by taking sucking that from you. Always try to be 2 steps ahead of them and their game.

Good luck.

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Re: Hello

Postby WhiteHaven » Thu Apr 22, 2010 6:55 am

Thanks for the encouragement! Well I got back from court we all went me the wife the kids and my father he helped watch the kids. The one dude I think is the supervisor asked to talk to us and we talked to him wanted to know if we would agree to finish the "counseling" and allow them in the home to make sure it was clean and to talk to the kids if the kids would talk to them (which they won't he has already tried my son is only 1 and doesn't talk besides jibberish and our daughter is 3.5 and only says Ian is a baby if someone she does not know tries to talk to her she also ignores them and wants one of us to hold her so no biggie there.) So we go back in the blow hard attorney for CPS guy was a real moron looking person says we have come to an agreement with the Koltons in this case and we request the contempt petition be dropped judge says ok. Of course then the attorney has to yap about how we got to this point,the moron even got the charges wrong on what we was charged with back in November :roll: then the judge asks us do we understand all this we said yes and he said ok he also said that if we move out of state we have to let the state we move to know we are there so if they want they can open their own case. Hopefully we can move back to West Va where they already closed the case. All in all it went well didn't even need a lawyer we took all our papers with us (maybe that scared them) We had a pretty big folder of the papers with us including the facts paper and the papers stating West Va had closed the case etc. So just gotta do their so called counseling bs and get it over with and keep the house spic and span we don't cook down here anymore so should be easier.I also went and got a tape for our video camera so I can tape them when they come to my home so I get everything that is said and done on tape just in case.

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Re: Hello

Postby LindaJM » Thu Apr 22, 2010 9:30 am

That's great news! And what a relief... I'm so glad things went so well for you and your family! Now be sure not to miss any of their appointments so they won't have anything to hold against you! :D
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Re: Hello

Postby Dazeemay » Thu Apr 22, 2010 11:36 am

Wow! This is great news.

Hopefully you can find the funds to do a guardianship over the children. Please be sure to read everything on the Guardianship forum as even that can be tricky if they come at you again.

You can never let your guard down. Don't operate in fear but, keep your guard up. Several ways to do that is to get off any gov't programs, do a guardianship, homeschool your children when they become of age and join the homeschool lawyers site.

The best to you in the future.
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Re: Hello

Postby WhiteHaven » Thu May 06, 2010 10:56 am

Thanks yall. Things are going well met last week with the "counselor" and she is supposed to be here today some time as well. CPS jerk off just came out we needed to sign the new service plan thing which was the exact same as the last one but since we left we had to sign a new one I made sure to read it first. He said the house looked great was glad we pulled the kids carpet out of their room etc etc...anyways last week when the "counselor" was here she said she figures maybe 1 month and she will be done with her "counseling" I guess it helps to feed her bs lol...anyways that is all that is in the service plan that we all signed and they signed I don't have a copy of it so how do I get a copy of it? Another thing what will happen once she is done with her "counseling"? She says 1 month and she will be done well that's all cps wanted us to do. Knowing these creeps they will try and force us to do something else but I ain't doing it which is why I want a copy of the service plan now before she is done with her "counseling".To use in court if they try and force us to do something else. Last week she asked us if we wanted the parental pro person and we told her no she kept asking guess she didn't like taking no for an answer. Either way its almost over. They can go straight to you know where if they think we are doing more of their jumping through hoops bs once the "counseling" is over.

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Re: Hello

Postby WhiteHaven » Mon Jul 05, 2010 6:40 pm

Goodness been 2 months since I posted here. Well we finished the "counseling". That was about 2 weeks ago or so. Today the cps guy comes out and first thing he says is Laura (the "counselor") talked to yall about having a parental teacher come by and do counseling with yall. I said yeah she had mentioned it and asked if we were interested I told her no both times she asked it was not in the case plan we all signed and we aren't doing it. Then he proceeds to tell me that Laura had told him that she asked me about the kids jumping on the bed and supposedly I said that if they fell off they would learn a lesson,Also that Ian my youngest was messing with the wires where my wife plugs her lamp and fan in beside her bed I was like yea he was trying to unplug the lamp we have tried putting the plugs into the wall that makes sure he can't stick stuff in there but he tears them out so we just plug stuff up since there is no plug behind our bed. He did it 1 time when the "counselor" was there we told him no and picked him up and took him away from there. He then said she had told him that she asked us what we thought of our kids and supposedly we said they were little assholes a blatant and full out lie by her. He then said we think yall need to do the parenting classes stuff I said nope it's not in the case plan that the judged ordered us to do because I have a copy of it and we ain't doing it. He said well we can always go to court and see what the judge has to say about it I said you go right ahead and we will show up with our lawyer. He shut up about it after that. He looked through the house and as usual found nothing wrong with it and he left after trying to talk to my kids and lay eyes on them as he says. My question is this

Can they force us or can the judge force us to take parenting classes or meet with a parental counselor if it is not in the case plan we all signed? The judge only ordered us to do the case plan we had signed and its been done 100% I see this attempt to get us to do parenting classes or whatever as a way to keep the case open even longer because since we have been back from WV the house has stayed clean,we completed the supposed counseling crap,we have allowed them access to the home and to talk to the kids with us present. I wanted to know if they can force us to do something that is not in the case plan without us signing a new case plan which we will not do.

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Re: Hello

Postby Momoffor » Mon Jul 05, 2010 10:06 pm

WhiteHaven wrote:Can they force us or can the judge force us to take parenting classes or meet with a parental counselor if it is not in the case plan we all signed? The judge only ordered us to do the case plan we had signed and its been done 100% I see this attempt to get us to do parenting classes or whatever as a way to keep the case open even longer because since we have been back from WV the house has stayed clean,we completed the supposed counseling crap,we have allowed them access to the home and to talk to the kids with us present. I wanted to know if they can force us to do something that is not in the case plan without us signing a new case plan which we will not do.


To answer your question. They cannot change the court order wihout going back to court and requesting it. At that time, a judge can order it yes. However, they are dong exactly what you suspect they are doing.

Just for giggles, I would send a certified letter to the caseworker and/or "laura' requesting a copy of 'lauras' written report. Bet none of what he is telling you is in there. PLUS that way if they DO take you back to court, you have a copy JIC anything should, you know, get changed along the way.

When are you supposed to go back to court again?

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Re: Hello

Postby WhiteHaven » Tue Jul 06, 2010 12:29 pm

Ah ok. So the judge is the only one and seeing how he really has no reason to I doubt it will happen. The case plan I read this morning says the next update is August 8th so I assume that is when.

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Re: Hello

Postby WhiteHaven » Mon Jul 19, 2010 5:44 pm

The cps moron has been out today had to see my wife and talk to my brother who lives down stairs with us about how things are etc. He had already talked to me when I tore him a new one about trying to force us to do the parenting crap. He asked my wife about it and she told him it was a waste of time etc. He said they are going to suggest to the judge that that is what needs to be done but he doubts the judge will approve it because we have done everything else in the case plan. Court date is set for August 18th. This dude I swear I have told him 3 times when the court date is and each time he shows up he asks me again. Are these people really this incompetent? I mean its their lawyer (course this is the same moron who got what we had been charged with last year wrong anyways) but anyways just irritates me that they are trying to force us to take "parenting classes". They can do whatever they want I refuse to sign another case plan and will only do the parenting classes under duress. I don't understand if he thinks the judge won't approve it then why even bring it up? I just want these idiots out of my life for good. Hopefully come the 18th we will get that but who knows.


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