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Can you make this stuff up?

Postby Dan Sullivan » Mon Jun 20, 2005 4:11 pm

Years ago I spent days on the telephone trying to get a copy of the N.Y. State CPS Program Manual (it's NOT available to the public). When I finally got someone at CPS on the phone who admitted that it existed, she told me she had one in front of her on her desk, but said I really didn't want a copy. I asked her why she thought that, she said because it's TOO THICK!!!

Can you make these things up???

At the same time I was trying to get a copy of the book used to train CPS workers (a ten day no fail course). When I found the person in charge of the course materials first he suggested I come upstate to where he was and photocopy the pages I was interested in. I told him I was interested in everything and wanted the WHOLE book. Then he said it was going to cost me 25 cents a page to photocopy the book. I said why don't you just send me a book rather than a photocopy. He replied that there's only ONE book! I was astounded! I said how can that be with all the people who take the course. He said the students don't get the book and the instructors only photocopy the pages of the book that they want to use to teach the course!!!

CAN YOU MAKE THIS UP???

The instructors weren't using the complete book!! I mistakenly assumed that the CPS workers got a textbook to learn and take with them after the course was over, to refer to because their jobs were so important. The CPS workers are, after all, responsible for protecting children and families (taxpayers, the people who pay for the course). Was giving them a book to keep too much to ask? Evidently CPS thinks so. The book by the way was written in timed sections so the instructor, if they did use the entire book, would at least have taught to the class everything they were supposed to know in the ten days the course lasted. So the caseworkers in N.Y. State are doing their job with only part of the information they need to do their jobs properly.

ANYBODY SURPRISED???

By the way, according to the book, the instructors are supposed to teach that the families the caseworker would come in contact with are at W.A.R. Ready for this, W.A.R. means World of Abnormal Rearing. One can only hope that this is one of the sections that the instructors leave out, but for some reason I don't think so.

Anyway the book cost me $142, and guess what? They sent me a brand new instructors textbook not a photocopy!

Looseleaf.

THICK TOO!!!

God help us!!!

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Not surprising.

Postby LindaJM » Tue Jun 21, 2005 12:52 am

Hi Dan..

In 1989 when I asked my caseworker for a copy of the CPS regulations he claimed there weren't any because he didn't know they existed.

I managed to get a copy sent by the state.

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CPS Handbook

Postby FatherChadMBrown » Mon Jun 27, 2005 7:34 pm

I asked my state (Florida) for one also, and they said there isn't one either, only law books... 140 volumes dating back as far as I wanted to go.... UnBELIEVEABLE!

Wierd part is that workers are required to go to school for a minimum of 2-6 years to be social workers, and yet they don't have anything on how to do their jobs... I hate CPS agencies, it is a government of its own.

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Re: CPS Handbook

Postby Dan Sullivan » Wed Jun 29, 2005 1:19 am

[quote="FatherChadMBrown"]I asked my state (Florida) for one also, and they said there isn't one either, only law books... 140 volumes dating back as far as I wanted to go.... UnBELIEVEABLE!

Wierd part is that workers are required to go to school for a minimum of 2-6 years to be social workers, and yet they don't have anything on how to do their jobs... I hate CPS agencies, it is a government of its own.[/quote]

I think you'll find that CPS has CASE workers NOT social workers, meaning they don't have the extensive training of social workers.

Florida DCF (CPS) Policies

Policies and Procedures of the Florida Department of Children and Families

http://www.dcf.state.fl.us/publications ... milysafety

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In 1998 I asked for a Policy and Procedure Manual

Postby hope » Sat Aug 13, 2005 10:24 am

I asked the Administrator of a Unit if they had Standard Operating Procedures, SOP's, and she said she would look into but did not believe they had standard operating procedures, nor operating procedures nor policy handbooks.

Texas does, she was ignorant as dirt!

I receive a copy of the policies and procedures all the time on CD, searchable, really cool and helpful.

I uploaded it to the internet and received a letter from the Houston General Counsel demanding that I take it down as it is copyrighted information and if someone wants to have a copy, they can purchase it for $350.00 from the department.

I have the phone numbers if anyone needs them.

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Texas CPS Manual (download) FREE!!!!!

Postby Dan Sullivan » Sun Aug 14, 2005 7:51 am

[quote="hope"]I asked the Administrator of a Unit if they had Standard Operating Procedures, SOP's, and she said she would look into but did not believe they had standard operating procedures, nor operating procedures nor policy handbooks.

Texas does, she was ignorant as dirt!

I receive a copy of the policies and procedures all the time on CD, searchable, really cool and helpful.

I uploaded it to the internet and received a letter from the Houston General Counsel demanding that I take it down as it is copyrighted information and if someone wants to have a copy, they can purchase it for $350.00 from the department.

I have the phone numbers if anyone needs them.[/quote]

Here's the Manual for free.

Texas CPS Manual (download)

http://www.the-facts.com/HTM's/Download.htm

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Fostering pays big dividends in Kern Co. CA! Free Cruise!

Postby phildoe » Sat Sep 24, 2005 9:17 am

Kern County CA-DHS Director Beverly Beasley-Johnson Busted!!
This top-dog official got caught when her budget was reviewed and found to include $5,000. in educational expenses for foster moms/dads. This was ill-received by taxpayers, who felt the 12 hours of parenting lessons needn't be conducted over the course of seven days aboard a Carnival Cruise to Lovely Mexico! When busted, Ms. B-J removed the item from her department's budget and decided to pay out of her own pocket! :oops: What dedication to her agenda; gotta keep those skids greased, since that's what keeps the whole money thing happening!
The same taxpayers seemed uninvolved when my daughter was forcibly adopted as a similar reward to compliant (desperate) fosterers.
Guess she wasn't listed as a budgetary expense.Too bad for us.
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Postby Frustrated » Sat Sep 24, 2005 12:29 pm

I tried to get the Manual for Ontario. They said they did not have any...then the Child and Family Services Association replied back saying that each Agency is governed and independently governed by its boards of directors, and has a Policy of their own. Which means that over 50 Agencies has their Own Policies created independently by its board of directors. CASAT (association) said that other than the Manual, they MUST follow the Child and Families Services ACT Chapter 11 R.S.O. which is searchable in Google....Under "Child and Families Services ACT". Funny thing tho' is that they are not following THAT Law. :roll:

Still looking for the Major Manual that everyone has to follow.....still working on it as the website (fixcas.com) needs it to put up for all Ontarians to see. I found out that other Manuals can be sold for $350.00. Typical for Government to charge as they LOVE money. Greed is all they are and they use Children for Adoptions, just like selling the Manual unfortunately. :roll:

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Postby pamom2crew » Tue Jun 13, 2006 11:25 am

Do you have any ideas on how to get a copy ogf the book in pennsylvania?
Is it different by state? Or is it a nationwide, type of a book?
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Postby Dazeemay » Tue Jun 13, 2006 1:00 pm

pamom2crew here is the link. Hope it helps. Be sure to check out all of the forums on this site for help.


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Postby kathryn » Wed Jun 14, 2006 12:31 am

Did you know that California's social workers do not even require a license? Some states have very little licensure requirements. Check to be sure that your states require their social workers to graduate from accredited universities and that they require licensure. A licensed worker will be a LSW or LCSW. Many social workers were "grandfathered" in and do not have a BSW degree.(others have "related" degrees) Interesting stuff!
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Postby Dazeemay » Wed Jun 14, 2006 5:52 am

http://aswbdata.powerlynxhosting.net/cg ... j3h1p6o6yb

Here is a link that shows the requirements in every state.

Click on your state and then click on the red links and it will tell you what is required of a social worker.

I will put this in the Research Resources forum
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To put it in simple terms…when the authorities ARE the perpetrators and the perpetrators ARE the authorities, there is no earthly justice or recourse, at the end of the day (unless the American people wake up).

Therefore, those who have achieved the highest levels of power seek to ‘enjoy’ the most grievous and extreme injustices. For many of those in the highest circles of power, the greatest statement of power is to perpetrate the greatest possible injustice…the savage, brutal traumatization and abuse of an innocent child.
http://themurkynews.blogspot.com/ MattTwoFour

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Postby Greegor » Fri Jun 16, 2006 3:30 pm

Kathryn:
Iowa's board of Social Work does not license
SW's who are Bachelors or below.

Technically, any idiot can call themself a
Social Worker in Iowa, and if they find
an agency dumb enough or greedy enough
to hire them, they can start working!

My family dealt with one for almost two years,
mistakenly thought she was licensed and
started wondering when she did ""family therapy""
that consisted of lobbying, pushing the agency
agenda for us to SUBMIT to services and
passing us the threat of Termination Of Parental
Rights if we did not submit. Our complaints
about RIGGED services were ignored.
(Since proven out, YES RIGGED services.)

According to some other agency idiots
the Feds don't require that people doing
"therapy" even have to have a license for THAT!

I call it Medicaid FRAUD whan a person who is
not even licensed for SW does unlicensed ""therapy""
billed to the Feds through Medicaid or other channels.

Apparently the Medicaid fraud hotlines
won't even take allegations of Medicaid
fraud against states though.

Qui Tam Whistleblower suits will take care of that!

Do you think the Feds are happy about
paying for ""therapy"" done by unlicensed therapists?

The other thing is the nature of this ""therapy""
is utterly disgusting, pushing agenda is NOT therapy.

Did I mention double billing for both
visit supervision and therapy for the
exact same hours? :)

I once interacted on a NASW web site
and apparently THEY mistakenly thought
that caseworkers have to be licensed social workers.

Do ANY states actually require CPS workers
to actually be licensed SW's?

If a person has a SW license and begins work
as a caseworker, they are advised to allow their
license to LAPSE to reduce their liability for
violating any SW code of ethics.. But the Iowa
board of SW said that even if they allow
their license to lapse the "board" can still
be a channel for punitive action.

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Postby kathryn » Fri Jun 16, 2006 9:03 pm

Yes, actually there are states who are strict about licensure. The state that I work in you must have a BSW or MSW, pay the 300.00 fee to take a 2 hour long test and pass that test with a 75 or higher in order to obtain a license. We do not have "case workers" only licensed social workers. I am not certain about all state requirements and agree with the previous post that had some excellent links to state requirements for social workers. Furthermore, we have to have graduated from an "accredited" university in order to graduate with a BSW, which includes a year long internship program with classroom support included in the program.
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Postby Greegor » Fri Jun 16, 2006 9:56 pm

Kathryn:
In many states caseworkers use titles like
"SW II" or "SW III" after their names.

They are allowed to use the title Social Worker
ONLY by virtue of their government job.
State law specifically allows them to use those
titles even if the licensing board in that
state would nail them for fraud
or misrepresentation.

Several states have "exception" laws
to allow them to use SW titles that would
otherwise be fraudulent.

One giveaway at least here is the
roman numerals which resemble something
more like a rank or pay grade status.

I have seen people who were certain
that caseworkers are licensed social workers,
but in 5 years I have never seen a link
to any such legal requirement for
any state. It's possible that some state
somewhere does, but most states definately
do not require caseworkers to be licensed
social workers.

Many of the older caseworkers were actually
welfare to work hires under President Jimmy Carter.

Kathryn, Since you recently finished an
education to be a SW, could you think about this?

How many times in your SW coursework
did you see information about what
Munchausens By Proxy is?

The man who invented it has had his
medical license yanked and has been
the eye of a storm in England.
He got caught telling LIES in court
about his second little racket having
to do with falsely convicting parents
of SIDS deaths.

I am assuming that you had
Munchausens By Proxy presented to you
in your education. How many times?
Did they ever mention the disgrace
that Meadows and MBP have fallen into?

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Postby kathryn » Sat Jun 17, 2006 8:24 am

I have actually had experience with MBP. We studied it in two of our social work practical classes, as well as in psy classes, and human deveop. class.
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Postby Greegor » Sat Jun 17, 2006 11:01 am

So 4 times they pushed it on you but
did they ever mention the problems
with Meadows and the scandals?

You may have "seen it" but it was a fraud.
One of the most famous cases on
video tape was actually not MBP but
a woman who was a CON ARTIST.
Entirely different motivation.

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Did they ever push on you the
Satanic Ritual Child Abuse stuff?

Billions of dollars were spent on
that "problem" and caseworkers
were put through training which
consisted of little more than an
NBC TV Movie Of The Week.
The biggest results were some of the
largest cases of false accusation
perpetrated by the agencies.
Wenatchee Witch Hunt and
several other similar around the US.

FBI finally reported that RSCA had no
basis in fact. Not even ONE case.
Charles Manson (1960's) was NOT
RSCA but something else.

RSCA was an 80's boondoggle, a waste
of money and every case they splashed
across the news was bogus.
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Even though Munchausens was a SCAM,
and would have never passed the
required PEER REVIEW, the field of
psychology is very resistant to removing
it from their diagnosis/billing manual.

Australia psychologists renamed it in their
manual in an attempt to dodge the bad PR.

Both of these ""profit centers"" were scams
that have been revealed.

You said four times they pushed MSBP on you.
Did they ever mention that Meadows was
found committing PERJURY and had his medical
license removed? Did they mention the
scandal or the fraud about MSBP?

Did they ever give you stats about how
often MSBP occurred in the USA?

The bottom line is that while something
like MSBP probably happens VERY RARELY,
it seems that almost every accusation
of it has been false. While there might
actually have been four cases in the last
ten years that fit it, the HYSTERIA and the
VAGUE ""warning signs"" caused it to be
used for THOUSANDS of false accusations.

I saw a case where a doctor accused a
mother of it simply because he didn't
want the mother to seek a "second opinion".
He had egg on his face when the 2nd
opinion proved that his diagnosis was WRONG!
There have been several of these where
doctors or caseworkers have apparently
used the accusation in order to give them
POWER, an upper hand over the parent.

I guess what I'm saying is that MSBP
has been used more as an ABUSE
of the parent than as an honest diagnosis.

Some PROSECUTORS won't make any
MSBP accusations in court because
MSBP has been overused and so disgraced.

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Postby kathryn » Sat Jun 17, 2006 10:00 pm

I have not seen or heard of any moxy cases being accussed or tried in my area. I understand that these cases are rare. You sound as if you have studied this topic in depth and I applaud you. In the county that I live in, we have not had any confirmed or accussed cases. (I actually had four separate psy classes, two human development classes, and twelve social worker classes.)
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Postby Greegor » Sun Jun 18, 2006 11:20 pm

So they PUSH the Munchausens By Proxy
over and over but they never mentioned
that Doctor Professor Sir Roy Meadows
fell flat on his face eh?

Did they make you watch an NBC
Movie of the Week depicting it?

I saw that on TV decades ago.
It's been depicted on various TV doctor shows too.

It has a certain wierd sort of appeal
such that you would never forget it.
Ten years later when people forget all of
the stuff from their college days,
they won't forget learning about
Munchausens By Proxy.

It has a zing, elements of a MYSTERY and
easily used as a "catch all" under many
circumstances. I refer to it as being
"intellectually sexy", a reference to it's
unforgettable appeal. Lewdness?

What I find interesting is that it rose
to so much popularity that among
social workers and people pretending
to be social workers "everybody knows it"
even though it is false.

Did you ever read about "Meadows Law"?

He said that if you have two SIDS deaths
it's suspicious but if you have THREE
you're murdering your own kids.
In court he testified to fictional statistics.
The British Royal Statistical Society noticed
and blew the lid off Meadows RACKET.

Do a search or:
http://www.msbp.com/published_articles.htm


The point that has caught my attention lately
is those national statistics and the standards
for "founded" or "neglect".

xxx abused kids for the year 2003?

yyy neglected 2003?

Commonly for propaganda they lump them together.
CA Child Abuse and
N Neglect have often been lumped together
and called Child Abuse. A way they pad the numbers.

That CAN trick was dirty enough but a lot
of people including myself didn't realize
that the DEFINITION for a kid to fall into
those two categories for FUNDING is
only "at risk of" as opposed to actual abuse.

What this means is that when they
say that xxx kids were abused, they
are actually telling a LIE, because that
many kids WERE NOT ACTUALLY ABUSED.

Most of them were only "at risk of" abuse.

Check out the NCANDS figures and carefully
check out their definitions of the categories.

Have you ever seen those stories about
the original poster child for Child Protection?

The first child removal, done through
AHA and animal rights laws?

The CPS workers all have a book about her.
It was compiled by a doctor who ran
a child protection center somewhere.

Big problem: She wasn't removed to a
foster home from her parents.

She was a civil war orphan and was
removed from a FOSTER HOME.

The little girl became a child of the
newspapers and the rich people
fired up by the newspapers then.
PR was a CENTRAL player in her story.

Most CPS goons with the book about
her on their desk don't know she
was being abused as a ""FOSTER KID""
even though it's described in the book.

Out Of The Darkness: The Story
Of Mary Ellen Wilson (Hardcover)
by Eric A. Shelman, Dr. Stephen, Lazoritz M.D.

Ever heard of this book?

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Postby DesertSkye » Tue Jul 11, 2006 9:56 pm

I think the point that seems to be continually missed that Greegor is trying to make

Is
MSBP IS A FARCE

So no matter how many psych classes one has taken or how extensively one has been trained about it....ITS A FARCE thats being thrown out left and right

It happens so rarely ( a true case) that you will probably NEVER see a case of it

and if you do think again

Its most likely NOT MSBP
More than likely
Its a mom , who is smart, and picking up something in her god given "mothers intuition" that something isn't right with her child

Remember if you come across this supposed MSBP

It wasn't so long ago that
DIABETES
FIBROMYALGIA and many other now PROVEN medical conditions

were thought of as "its all in your head" psychosomatic illnesses

Somewhere I read a statistic that 75% of all "psychosomatic" illnesses ended up with a real and proven diagnosis once recognized by the right Dr.

It sometimes takes yrs to get to the bottom of a persons health issues but that can largely be blamed on a system who for too many yrs has been putting bandaids on everything and everyone instead of trying to get to the root of problems and CURE them.

just remember
If you think its MSBP its most likely NOT
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Postby Greegor » Wed Jul 12, 2006 7:13 am

Yesterday all over the Media news was a story about a guy
who put lighter fluid and other bad stuff in his own
kids soup, trying to scam Campbells Soup out of
money.

He's in jail now, and probably headed for prison.

It would be a mistake to confuse criminal CON ARTISTS
like this with the extremely rare malingerers that
Munchausens By Proxy describes.

I just can't get over the way the guy who CREATED
Munchhausens By Proxy shredded his ""research""
because it was all a FRAUD!

But the people in the system who have had
it POUNDED into their heads over and over
can't adjust to the fact it was all a FRAUD.

The truth about MBP being a SCAM is
received by those people about like it
would be accepted if you try to tell a
cult member their leader was a fraud.

Doctor Professor Sir Roy Meadows who
fabricated the Munchausens By Proxy diagnosis
should be in prison but that would be too
EMBARASSING for the system.


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