Can you tell us what you did to win your children back?
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Can you tell us what you did to win your children back?
If you all could give us some insight, a little about your story and the length of time you were in the system. Could bring us much hope
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dasuberding
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My son was in CPS's care for three months, where they massively screwed the pooch. Can't go into the case at the time due to litigation but we caught them red handed in the cookie jar. The usual stuff, perjury, civil rights violations, back dating forms, lies, lies, and more lies (in front of multiple witnesses). After three months, we said enough is enough, stopped going to the "suggested" services, and told them if they didn't hand over our son by a certain date, we would be taking them to federal court. Our son was returned to us within 24 hours and we didn't hear from them for 4 months until they received the govt. tort claim. They were pissed and started issuing threats (again) By then it was too late for them and we are now headed to federal court. We never said "we wouldn't sue" if they returned our son to us. This is what you get for lying, morons. Let's see how far your immunity flies in front of a jury.
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Momof31995
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We learned our rights and stood upto the goons. i started by simply calling the DCFS advocacy office everytime the contracting agency did something that wasnt right i didnt give an inch.
After the advocacy office did an investigation we were instantly granted unsupervised visits with our kids after going for 2 years with only seeing them 1 hour per week supervised now we have them from Friday-sunday. and they will be coming home the beginning of next month.
Learn the laws and your rights do not back down from them.
until we stood up for our selves we were looking at TPR. Now we are getting them back.
After the advocacy office did an investigation we were instantly granted unsupervised visits with our kids after going for 2 years with only seeing them 1 hour per week supervised now we have them from Friday-sunday. and they will be coming home the beginning of next month.
Learn the laws and your rights do not back down from them.
until we stood up for our selves we were looking at TPR. Now we are getting them back.
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makaylajayncharlie
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Momof31995 said it perfectly,
Ours was not going to a TPR, but we learned the laws and our rights and did not back down either.
From the very beginning of getting onto this site we were told to do our Declaration of Facts and Objections and Corrections forms. We did them, but did not present them. We listened to the lawyer when this site told us again not to listen to them and make our lawyer file them. He wouldn't and we backed down because we felt intimidated by him.
After nine months of a hearing here and there and it was the 9th month that was our adjudication hearing, which according to the law is not suppose happen that late, our granddaughter was returned.
Our lawyer wanted us to stipulate. Another lawyer he called told him not to have us stipulate or we would be locked into them forever.
Three times our hearings were canceled because they had lawyers from their office quit. Then the judge had been gone for most of the summer because one judge retired and they had to have meetings on which judge was going to go to which county and stay with which county.
We were thankful we got our same judge. We knew he had a conscience. In about the 7th month my daughter asked the judge if we could file our Dec of Facts and O C forms. He said, "yes." Lawyer was mad, and we did it. The clerk of court told my husband and I we could not file unless we were testifying. We said we were so she had to file them.
There lawyer got up from his chair mad over our nonsensical forms. The judge put him in his place and said he would read them.
So after that hearing the judge said they could not file anymore petitions against us which was a godsend to us because then we could file away at them and we did. He said he wanted the hearings over before Christmas and he made good his word. We got her back on Nov.2nd
However, when we crossed our state lines to come home we were hit with our state cps coming after us. We knew our rights by then and got a new attorney who knew our constitutional rights. Had a meeting with them in their office. Showed them our guardianship papers, miranda rights for children, and our lawyer told their lawyer what our constitutional rights were.
Case closed before it opened.
Like Momof31995 said, know your rights and stand up to them and don't back down.
Great way, by the way Momof31995, calling the advocacy office everytime they pulled their little stunts.
Learn the laws and your rights do not back down from them.
until we stood up for our selves we were looking at TPR. Now we are getting them back.
Ours was not going to a TPR, but we learned the laws and our rights and did not back down either.
From the very beginning of getting onto this site we were told to do our Declaration of Facts and Objections and Corrections forms. We did them, but did not present them. We listened to the lawyer when this site told us again not to listen to them and make our lawyer file them. He wouldn't and we backed down because we felt intimidated by him.
After nine months of a hearing here and there and it was the 9th month that was our adjudication hearing, which according to the law is not suppose happen that late, our granddaughter was returned.
Our lawyer wanted us to stipulate. Another lawyer he called told him not to have us stipulate or we would be locked into them forever.
Three times our hearings were canceled because they had lawyers from their office quit. Then the judge had been gone for most of the summer because one judge retired and they had to have meetings on which judge was going to go to which county and stay with which county.
We were thankful we got our same judge. We knew he had a conscience. In about the 7th month my daughter asked the judge if we could file our Dec of Facts and O C forms. He said, "yes." Lawyer was mad, and we did it. The clerk of court told my husband and I we could not file unless we were testifying. We said we were so she had to file them.
There lawyer got up from his chair mad over our nonsensical forms. The judge put him in his place and said he would read them.
So after that hearing the judge said they could not file anymore petitions against us which was a godsend to us because then we could file away at them and we did. He said he wanted the hearings over before Christmas and he made good his word. We got her back on Nov.2nd
However, when we crossed our state lines to come home we were hit with our state cps coming after us. We knew our rights by then and got a new attorney who knew our constitutional rights. Had a meeting with them in their office. Showed them our guardianship papers, miranda rights for children, and our lawyer told their lawyer what our constitutional rights were.
Case closed before it opened.
Like Momof31995 said, know your rights and stand up to them and don't back down.
Great way, by the way Momof31995, calling the advocacy office everytime they pulled their little stunts.
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This is not legal advice;hopefully wisdom
To put it in simple terms…when the authorities ARE the perpetrators and the perpetrators ARE the authorities, there is no earthly justice or recourse, at the end of the day (unless the American people wake up).
Therefore, those who have achieved the highest levels of power seek to ‘enjoy’ the most grievous and extreme injustices. For many of those in the highest circles of power, the greatest statement of power is to perpetrate the greatest possible injustice…the savage, brutal traumatization and abuse of an innocent child.
http://themurkynews.blogspot.com/ MattTwoFour
"Ultimately, the law is only as good as the judge" --- D.X. Yue, 2005, in "law, reason and judicial fraud"
http://www.parentalrightsandjustice.com/index.cgi?ctype=Page;site_id=1;objid=45;curloc=Site:1
This is not legal advice;hopefully wisdom
To put it in simple terms…when the authorities ARE the perpetrators and the perpetrators ARE the authorities, there is no earthly justice or recourse, at the end of the day (unless the American people wake up).
Therefore, those who have achieved the highest levels of power seek to ‘enjoy’ the most grievous and extreme injustices. For many of those in the highest circles of power, the greatest statement of power is to perpetrate the greatest possible injustice…the savage, brutal traumatization and abuse of an innocent child.
http://themurkynews.blogspot.com/ MattTwoFour
"Ultimately, the law is only as good as the judge" --- D.X. Yue, 2005, in "law, reason and judicial fraud"
http://www.parentalrightsandjustice.com/index.cgi?ctype=Page;site_id=1;objid=45;curloc=Site:1
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Momof31995
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im not sure if it works in all states or with straight DCFS cases our case is contracted out to Childrens home and aid society of illinois so by calling the advocacy office and them finding the complaints valid they were able to threaten funding of CHASI and only 1 hour after hearing back from the advocacy office our case worker called to let us know we were having unsupervised visits after 2 years of only seeing our kids 1 hour every week supervised that was the first of december now we have them from friday until sunday and the target date to return home is June 12th.
"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny, when the government fears the people, there is liberty." Thomas Jefferson
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florida999
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i dont know if this will help anyone, but this is what we did. our children were taken over so called domestic violence and drug use by husband. we never agreed to anything, never signed any case plans. on our own we enrolled in anger management course, and husband has taken weekly drug screens. we got our children back in 3 months. dont know if this will work for everybody, guess it depends on the severity of your case and weather they can seroisly prove thier claims.
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Dan Sullivan
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florida999 wrote:i dont know if this will help anyone, but this is what we did. our children were taken over so called domestic violence and drug use by husband. we never agreed to anything, never signed any case plans. on our own we enrolled in anger management course, and husband has taken weekly drug screens. we got our children back in 3 months. dont know if this will work for everybody, guess it depends on the severity of your case and weather they can seroisly prove thier claims.
You beat CPS at their own game.
You took the initiative and the power away from CPS.
Three months is a major win... usually their minimum removal time is six months at least.
Good for you.
Best, Dan
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florida999
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Dan Sullivan
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florida999 wrote:minimum 6 months? we were told by the anger management people that it would be at least 12 to 18 months, guess they dont know everything
Oh, they know.
The six month minimum is in rare cases.
All CPS has to do is ask for six more months once or twice, and the kids are in foster care a year or a year and a half.
You did EXTREMELY well for your family.
What did the anger management people say about your kids going home after three months?
Best, Dan
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florida999
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