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Attorney: School Mental Health Screenings Violate Students' Privacy, Parents' Rights
By Jim Brown and Jenni Parker
September 23, 2005
(AgapePress) - An Indiana high school is being sued for subjecting a 15-year-old student to mental health testing without her parents' consent. Michael and Teresa Rhoades allege that their constitutional rights were violated when their daughter Chelsea was given a "TeenScreen" mental health exam at Penn High School in Mishawaka, without their knowledge or consent.
The family's complaint states that on December 7, 2004, personnel of the Madison Center for Children subjected Chelsea Rhoades and other students to the exam, which consisted of "yes" or "no" questions without any opportunity to explain answers or offer alternative responses. Only students with an "opt-out slip" were excused from taking the computer-based tests.
After Chelsea completed the examination, a Madison Center employee escorted her into a private hallway, and she was told, largely based on her responses, that she liked to clean and didn't like to party very much, that she suffered from at least two mental health problems -- obsessive-compulsive disorder and social anxiety disorder.
The teenager was also advised that, if her condition grew worse, her mother should bring her to the Madison Center for treatment. According to Chelsea, most of the students subjected to the exam were also told that they were suffering from some kind of mental or social "disorder." Chelsea's parents were not informed about the screening exam until after it had already taken place, when Chelsea discussed her "diagnosis" with them.
The so-called "TeenScreen" exam is increasingly being adopted by schools in 43 states and is part of President George W. Bush's plan to have all public school teachers and students screened for mental health problems or at-risk tendencies for suicide that are not outwardly visible. However, John Whitehead of The Rutherford Institute, the family's legal representative, says federal and state law requires that parents grant written consent for such exams.
An increasing number of schools have been relying on "passive consent" forms in order to administer TeenScreen exams. Passive consent requires parents to return an "opt-out" form only if they do not want their child to participate in the screening.
Apart from the legal issues raised by the TeenScreen program, Whitehead has doubts about the value and validity of the screening results. "It's very, very questionable that you can get any kind of information in 10 to 15 minutes, in terms of a comprehensive psychological exam," he observes. "So the question that we've raised with a lot of people is why is this being done. Why is our government moving ahead to do these psychological tests, even on teachers?"
Putting that question aside, the Rutherford Institute spokesman feels school mental health examinations are an infringement on the students' rights. "Obviously, when someone like Chelsea Rhodes walks into a room and she doesn't know she's going to be tested, and then they ask her all these kind of strange questions and then tell her she's got mental problems, clearly it's an invasion of privacy," he asserts.
Rutherford Institute attorneys are charging Penn High School officials not only with invading Chelsea's privacy, but also with violating the constitutional rights of Michael and Teresa Rhodes to control the care, custody, and upbringing of their daughter. Whitehead says parents have some immediate steps they can take to combat "the increasing problem of government encroaching into the privacy of the family."
First of all, the attorney says, it is critical for parents to know their rights. And secondly, they should contact their local school officials and demand to "be notified immediately if they are planning to conduct mental health screening on your children." Finally, he adds, parents should follow the Rhoades' example and fight back against this kind of "encroachment on parental rights."
The Rutherford Institute has filed a lawsuit in U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Indiana on behalf of the Rhoades family. Whitehead hopes the suit will help bring about a change in policy, such that schools will be required to gain affirmative written consent from parents, rather than mere "passive consent," before students can be required to part in the TeenScreen program.
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SCHOOL MENTAL HEALTH SCREENINGS
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SCHOOL MENTAL HEALTH SCREENINGS
Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ. Galations 6:2
Yeah, I had my run in with the "passive consent" form years ago. It was a scoliosis exam that the school FORCED my oldest niece to take. She hadn't lived with me long enough to understand my views about the school PRETENDING to be doctors. She didn't give me the consent form because she was afraid I'd sign it and she didn't want the test done on her. Unfortunately, by my NOT signing it, she inadvertently set herself up for the test.
She came home that day completely shattered. She was crying and shaking because they FORCED her to REMOVE HER SHIRT! She had begged them to call me and they refused to call. She said her MALE teacher was on the other side of the flimsy curtain where she was required to remove her shirt. There were THREE adult women, two nurses and one other woman she didn't know, and one of them was trying to HELP her remove her shirt. She had NO BRA ON THAT DAY!
I was seeing RED to say the least. My (then) husband told me to not make any waves but, oh well, that's just not me. I was fit to be tied by the time I got to the school. I told them if they EVER touched ANY of my children in any MEDICAL WAY AGAIN I'd sue the tar out of them. I told them this was in the neighborhood of RAPE and I'd be damned if they think they have that right.
The nurse was there and she decided to be a smart ass and said something about giving the children "eye exams." I went off on her and said if she so much as touched my children's hair to check for NITS I'd sue them. I told her if she thinks my kids have a hearing, seeing or lice problem I WILL TAKE THEM TO A QUALIFIED DOCTOR TO HAVE THEM CHECKED. They go to school to learn English, Math and Science.... they go to the doctor to get physicals. The doctor doesn't teach my children math and the school will NOT PLAY DOCTOR WITH MY CHILDREN.
Yep, I still get all mad when I think about that day. It was awful. But guess what? They never touched my kids again. Not even so much as an "eye exam."
Chaco
She came home that day completely shattered. She was crying and shaking because they FORCED her to REMOVE HER SHIRT! She had begged them to call me and they refused to call. She said her MALE teacher was on the other side of the flimsy curtain where she was required to remove her shirt. There were THREE adult women, two nurses and one other woman she didn't know, and one of them was trying to HELP her remove her shirt. She had NO BRA ON THAT DAY!
I was seeing RED to say the least. My (then) husband told me to not make any waves but, oh well, that's just not me. I was fit to be tied by the time I got to the school. I told them if they EVER touched ANY of my children in any MEDICAL WAY AGAIN I'd sue the tar out of them. I told them this was in the neighborhood of RAPE and I'd be damned if they think they have that right.
The nurse was there and she decided to be a smart ass and said something about giving the children "eye exams." I went off on her and said if she so much as touched my children's hair to check for NITS I'd sue them. I told her if she thinks my kids have a hearing, seeing or lice problem I WILL TAKE THEM TO A QUALIFIED DOCTOR TO HAVE THEM CHECKED. They go to school to learn English, Math and Science.... they go to the doctor to get physicals. The doctor doesn't teach my children math and the school will NOT PLAY DOCTOR WITH MY CHILDREN.
Yep, I still get all mad when I think about that day. It was awful. But guess what? They never touched my kids again. Not even so much as an "eye exam."
Chaco
My thought for the day.........
CPS workers are like Slinkies
Not really good for anything, but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs.
CPS workers are like Slinkies
Not really good for anything, but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs.
Please See our Recommendation at Heads Held High
We have a link to http://www.headsheldhigh.org/index_files/Page477.htm on the home page at Heads Held High where we strongly recommend that a letter be sent to the school to protect your children.
It reads as follows:
To Whom It May Concern,
Pursuant to the Fourth and Ninth Amendments to the Constitution of the United States:
1. Our child, (child's name), will not be allowed to be removed from his/her classroom(s) by any agent of the Government, including, but not limited to, Monroe County Children & Youth Services, without a properly executed search warrant.
2. Our child, (child's name), will not be isolated in the presence of, or interrogated by, such agents without the presence of one or both his/her parents or his/her parent's representatives and his/her legal representative.
3. In the event that such agents present themselves on school property, and have shown proper government identification, and a legally executed search warrant, (child's name) will not be removed from classroom(s) for the purpose of any form of questioning or interrogation prior to the notification and presence of one or both his/her parents or his/her parent's representatives and his/her legal representative.
We are, for the record, refusing to consent to any interview of or search of or physical, psychiatric and/or psychological examination and/or evaluation of any kind and for any purpose, of (child's name), our home, or ourselves and we are refusing to waive any rights pertaining to (child's name) and ourselves. If you ignore our exercise of these rights and attempt to procure a waiver, we wish to confer with our attorney prior to any conversation with law enforcement and/or respective Government agency on the subject of waiver.
Any action taken in violation of these instructions is prima facie evidence of bad faith and of an overt and willful violation of our rights without our consent, and severs the responsible party/parties from any immunity protections provided for under the law based on the presumption of acts committed in good faith.
These instructions remain in effect as long as (child's name) is enrolled in this school or until rescinded in writing by either or both his parents.
Sincerely,
(your signature)
(your name)
It reads as follows:
To Whom It May Concern,
Pursuant to the Fourth and Ninth Amendments to the Constitution of the United States:
1. Our child, (child's name), will not be allowed to be removed from his/her classroom(s) by any agent of the Government, including, but not limited to, Monroe County Children & Youth Services, without a properly executed search warrant.
2. Our child, (child's name), will not be isolated in the presence of, or interrogated by, such agents without the presence of one or both his/her parents or his/her parent's representatives and his/her legal representative.
3. In the event that such agents present themselves on school property, and have shown proper government identification, and a legally executed search warrant, (child's name) will not be removed from classroom(s) for the purpose of any form of questioning or interrogation prior to the notification and presence of one or both his/her parents or his/her parent's representatives and his/her legal representative.
We are, for the record, refusing to consent to any interview of or search of or physical, psychiatric and/or psychological examination and/or evaluation of any kind and for any purpose, of (child's name), our home, or ourselves and we are refusing to waive any rights pertaining to (child's name) and ourselves. If you ignore our exercise of these rights and attempt to procure a waiver, we wish to confer with our attorney prior to any conversation with law enforcement and/or respective Government agency on the subject of waiver.
Any action taken in violation of these instructions is prima facie evidence of bad faith and of an overt and willful violation of our rights without our consent, and severs the responsible party/parties from any immunity protections provided for under the law based on the presumption of acts committed in good faith.
These instructions remain in effect as long as (child's name) is enrolled in this school or until rescinded in writing by either or both his parents.
Sincerely,
(your signature)
(your name)
My sister has a serious hump in her back that could have been caught before she needed surgery (she opted out so still has the hump). I agree that the kids need to be examined for scoliosis at least yearly while they are growing.
I do think they need parental consent for this to happen at school. Parental consent as in a slip specifically saying this willhappen on this day do you or do you not want your child to participate. You of course can say no. If you talk to your child and say yes, then they know in advance to wear a bra.
For those of you who dont have young teens or were not examined yourself what usually happens is.
They look at how you stand, I belive they are looking if one hip is higher then the other,
Then they have you remove your shirt and they look at your spine standing.
They they have you bend over and look at how your spine is in that position and also I belive how your hips look in that position.
They may or may not I have had it done both ways, run thier hands over your back thumbs at your spine fingers over your rib cage.
You put your shirt back on and a note is given to say your childs spine is fine or you need to take your child to the pediatrician for further examination.
I absolutly cannot express how important scoliosis checks are for young teens. I know several other kids whose backs were saved because they caught it before surgery and they could put a brace on them to correct the issue . A few of those needed surgery to correct. A few decided/could not afford not to fix it. I am 36 years old one of my closest high school friends cannot breath right and her heart is affected because she told her mum "I wont wear any silll damn brace"
So one more time, get your kids checked yearly. If you do not want the school to do it fine, get your kids doctor to do it.
I do think they need parental consent for this to happen at school. Parental consent as in a slip specifically saying this willhappen on this day do you or do you not want your child to participate. You of course can say no. If you talk to your child and say yes, then they know in advance to wear a bra.
For those of you who dont have young teens or were not examined yourself what usually happens is.
They look at how you stand, I belive they are looking if one hip is higher then the other,
Then they have you remove your shirt and they look at your spine standing.
They they have you bend over and look at how your spine is in that position and also I belive how your hips look in that position.
They may or may not I have had it done both ways, run thier hands over your back thumbs at your spine fingers over your rib cage.
You put your shirt back on and a note is given to say your childs spine is fine or you need to take your child to the pediatrician for further examination.
I absolutly cannot express how important scoliosis checks are for young teens. I know several other kids whose backs were saved because they caught it before surgery and they could put a brace on them to correct the issue . A few of those needed surgery to correct. A few decided/could not afford not to fix it. I am 36 years old one of my closest high school friends cannot breath right and her heart is affected because she told her mum "I wont wear any silll damn brace"
So one more time, get your kids checked yearly. If you do not want the school to do it fine, get your kids doctor to do it.
If you happen to message me via messanger, please let me know you are from this board. That way I wont insta block for not knowing you. Thank you. ~Rainy~
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The School are not there to MEDICALLY TREAT your child, they are there to TEACH AND EDUCATE. They are not doctors and thus that is what School is there for.
Imagine one day they would force Blood out of Students in the Gym to test for AIDS....without a Parental consent?
It is like a Medical Lab in a School setting and it violates every Student's Rights. Even Students has Rights to refuse.
It is not right. That is why we have Family Doctors to examine our Children yearly. Period.
In my High School Years, I refused Pschychological Exam, Blood Tests, Blood Banks, Counselling, Eye Exam, and so forth. My Mother would fight for my Rights and that is why we have a Family Doctor to have regularly exam and a Dentist to check my teeth, and a Eye Doctor to upgrade my eye glasses. That is their Jobs....I have had some one in the School check Student's Teeth to see if it is rotting or not, because they think that is a sign of Sexual Abuse.
Of course I refused, I told them I had a Dentist, and told them to contact my Dentist. That would be the end of it.
Schools has alot of Exams of all Medical Kinds, and it involves of course Money.......which should not have a place there in the first place. Just like we have Seperate of State and Church, very much like that, we should have a Separate of School and Medical Labs. No question about it. I mean why are we paying Medicare Insurance and we already have Doctors, and so on and they doubled the money to check your Kids at School where it is free? I would like to get rid of Medical Insurance and have it for FREE. All Medical Checks at School is on Tax Payer's Money. Why pay Insurance while they are already doing it? It is a SCAM! and the worst thing is that Government is paying the funds for ya! While you pay the money out and they still get it back unfortunately.
Imagine one day they would force Blood out of Students in the Gym to test for AIDS....without a Parental consent?
It is like a Medical Lab in a School setting and it violates every Student's Rights. Even Students has Rights to refuse.
It is not right. That is why we have Family Doctors to examine our Children yearly. Period.
In my High School Years, I refused Pschychological Exam, Blood Tests, Blood Banks, Counselling, Eye Exam, and so forth. My Mother would fight for my Rights and that is why we have a Family Doctor to have regularly exam and a Dentist to check my teeth, and a Eye Doctor to upgrade my eye glasses. That is their Jobs....I have had some one in the School check Student's Teeth to see if it is rotting or not, because they think that is a sign of Sexual Abuse.
Of course I refused, I told them I had a Dentist, and told them to contact my Dentist. That would be the end of it.
Schools has alot of Exams of all Medical Kinds, and it involves of course Money.......which should not have a place there in the first place. Just like we have Seperate of State and Church, very much like that, we should have a Separate of School and Medical Labs. No question about it. I mean why are we paying Medicare Insurance and we already have Doctors, and so on and they doubled the money to check your Kids at School where it is free? I would like to get rid of Medical Insurance and have it for FREE. All Medical Checks at School is on Tax Payer's Money. Why pay Insurance while they are already doing it? It is a SCAM! and the worst thing is that Government is paying the funds for ya! While you pay the money out and they still get it back unfortunately.
I understand that schools are not Doctors or medical centres and they should not present themselves as such. We need to definitely keep a close eye on what they are doing with our children, more & more all the time.
Where we live in Ontario, some parents do not take their young children to dentists, optomitrists, etc.
My hubby is in the Lions Club in our area and we have done eye check ups on schools, mostly kindergarten classes. Permission slips are sent home and some parents do refuse saying their child has already had an eye checkup but most dont. We have had children found that are nearly blind.
On the other hand, we had one school that hadnt sent home the permission slips and the principal insisted we check all the children anyways.
We are trained on how to do the testing but we do no diagnosing. All we do is suggest on the form to the parents that their child should be seen by an eye doctor.
There is obviously two sides to this story. Ive worn glasses since GR.3 and it was during an eye test with the simple eyechart at school that it was discovered and the nurse(back then they used Public Health nurses, many of those programs are eliminated here in Ontario now because of lack of funds) visited my mom and my mom took me to the eye doctors. Today, in the board where my children go you see ur own medical practitioners for preschool care, not like it used to be with a Dr/dentist/eye test done at the school. We live in a low income area and some children just arent taken.
Parents will often take their child to the Dr., sometimes Dentist, but not as much to the eyedoctor. Personally i think we should be more concerned about the psychological testings than the actual physical tests, and if we refuse all tests at the school then make sure our children do get to the eye doctor, dentist etc.
Where we live in Ontario, some parents do not take their young children to dentists, optomitrists, etc.
My hubby is in the Lions Club in our area and we have done eye check ups on schools, mostly kindergarten classes. Permission slips are sent home and some parents do refuse saying their child has already had an eye checkup but most dont. We have had children found that are nearly blind.
On the other hand, we had one school that hadnt sent home the permission slips and the principal insisted we check all the children anyways.
We are trained on how to do the testing but we do no diagnosing. All we do is suggest on the form to the parents that their child should be seen by an eye doctor.
There is obviously two sides to this story. Ive worn glasses since GR.3 and it was during an eye test with the simple eyechart at school that it was discovered and the nurse(back then they used Public Health nurses, many of those programs are eliminated here in Ontario now because of lack of funds) visited my mom and my mom took me to the eye doctors. Today, in the board where my children go you see ur own medical practitioners for preschool care, not like it used to be with a Dr/dentist/eye test done at the school. We live in a low income area and some children just arent taken.
Parents will often take their child to the Dr., sometimes Dentist, but not as much to the eyedoctor. Personally i think we should be more concerned about the psychological testings than the actual physical tests, and if we refuse all tests at the school then make sure our children do get to the eye doctor, dentist etc.
Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ. Galations 6:2
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Yes I understand what you mean in Ontario, it is different than USA with Health Care costs, and Medical Insurance they have to pay but here we don't have to pay Insurance. But such tests should be signed by a Parent with a Permission slip. Most are ignored and did it anyways whereas they already have Doctors, Dentists, Eye Dr.....
CPS monitor these tests carefully and if one did not go to a Dentist, because of his rotten teeth, he was homeschooled, so no one will see his rotten teeth. CPS could very well take those Kids for Medical Neglect. I understand what you mean that there are some Kids that never had coverage of dentist, or eye doctor because they are poor. That is why CPS watches these things carefully. We have the right to refuse such tests in Schools because we have Doctors, Dentist, and Eye doctor already. That is why we need to be prepared with Paper work, with names and phone numbers just in case CPS check this out. Most Doctors say that don't go there if it was a simple Cold and can be easily remedied with over-the-counter cold medicines and tylenol for Fever. If worsened, go to Emergency Room. Dr. said it was a over haul on Government Funds for a Simple Cold.
CPS monitor these tests carefully and if one did not go to a Dentist, because of his rotten teeth, he was homeschooled, so no one will see his rotten teeth. CPS could very well take those Kids for Medical Neglect. I understand what you mean that there are some Kids that never had coverage of dentist, or eye doctor because they are poor. That is why CPS watches these things carefully. We have the right to refuse such tests in Schools because we have Doctors, Dentist, and Eye doctor already. That is why we need to be prepared with Paper work, with names and phone numbers just in case CPS check this out. Most Doctors say that don't go there if it was a simple Cold and can be easily remedied with over-the-counter cold medicines and tylenol for Fever. If worsened, go to Emergency Room. Dr. said it was a over haul on Government Funds for a Simple Cold.
Something i just thought of. Our local highschool where my daughter still attends(Gr.12) has a small walk in medical centre located there. Once a week there is a nurse practitioner on duty and i think a Dr. comes in sometimes too. Usually just the school uses it, altho i think initially they said the community could.
There is a brekkie club there too each morning and i think probation & student social/welfare services also work out of there.
There may be one other school in the region with this or else ours is the only one, not sure. The big concern for some, when it first began, about 3/4 yrs ago, was that the students could get birthcontrol there.
Kids usually use it as a break from class. They go down, relax, have juice & cookies and thats about it for most.
There is a brekkie club there too each morning and i think probation & student social/welfare services also work out of there.
There may be one other school in the region with this or else ours is the only one, not sure. The big concern for some, when it first began, about 3/4 yrs ago, was that the students could get birthcontrol there.
Kids usually use it as a break from class. They go down, relax, have juice & cookies and thats about it for most.
Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ. Galations 6:2
Parents will often take their child to the Dr., sometimes Dentist, but not as much to the eyedoctor. Personally i think we should be more concerned about the psychological testings than the actual physical tests, and if we refuse all tests at the school then make sure our children do get to the eye doctor, dentist etc.
That may very well be true and IF the school had simply stuck with the hearing and eye exams, then people probably wouldn't be in such an uproar right now. The schools have clearly overstepped their boundaries.
It's gotten to the point that if you give ANY government agency an inch, they take a mile. (Simply "talking" to a CPS Orc can result in the loss of your children.) Take the "inch" away and the "mile" can't happen.
School is for learning, doctors are for our children's physical and mental health. If the school has a problem with that, TOO BAD. Our medical records are to be kept CONFIDENTIAL and the school has no business knowing any part of our children's medical history. NONE!
What's next? When we go into home Depot to buy a new door frame are we going to have the housing authority come down on us?
If our dog swallows a fish hook and goes to the vet will the SPCA swoop in and remove all our pets?
Why not? It's the poor people that try to follow the rules that are having the most troubles. Allowing the school to check our children's eyesight because they can't find a way to the eye doctor can and does open a great big can of worms. Suddenly the school "thinks" they can do anything they want with our children when it comes to practicing medicine.
Gee, it's a wonder that mankind even managed to exist without those eye exams all these thousands of years! This isn't to say that eye exams are bad, I'm saying it's NOT THE SCHOOLS RESPONSIBILITY!
Chaco
My thought for the day.........
CPS workers are like Slinkies
Not really good for anything, but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs.
CPS workers are like Slinkies
Not really good for anything, but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs.
Qualification here....
The Lions Club initially approached the schools offering their services to help prevent eyesight problems, blindness etc.
The Lions Clubs work with the CNIB, Seeing Eye Dogs, eye donations, eyeglass donations etc. and is doing this to help the community.
It is all completely volunteer.
The schools in our region no longer have the money to do school initiated eye testing. Many children are therefore left with poor eyesight.
The Lions Club initially approached the schools offering their services to help prevent eyesight problems, blindness etc.
The Lions Clubs work with the CNIB, Seeing Eye Dogs, eye donations, eyeglass donations etc. and is doing this to help the community.
It is all completely volunteer.
The schools in our region no longer have the money to do school initiated eye testing. Many children are therefore left with poor eyesight.
Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ. Galations 6:2
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And you know what?
CPS ARE STATIONED IN THE SCHOOLS AND STAY THERE AND WATCH KIDS GO BY, EVEN SET UP PROGRAMS THERE FOR KIDS TO ATTEND, BUT THEY REQUIRE PERMISSION SLIP HOME FOR CPS TO TEACH BEHAVIOR PROGRAM CALLED "CLEAR CHOICES". THEY ARE STILL THERE AND MY KIDS WERE FORCIBLY HAD TO TAKE THOSE PROGRAMS WITH THE CPS BECAUSE OF THEIR CONCERNS OF THE KID'S BEHAVIOR.
Then I refused to sign the Permission Slip for the Second Year. Because they already went to the same Program twice.
and obviously, CPS are still there when I drive by the School.
THAT IS THE WORST!!!! There are no escaping those Evils!!!! That is why many many Parents pull them out, and homeschool them or even go to a different School. I see Police and CPS at that school always once a Week every week for the ENTIRE YEAR!!!! Horrible!
They called me to why I did not sign the Permission slip, I told them they already went there twice and obviously it did not work on my Kids. All they do was babying talk to the Kids to death. Did you ever hear them "baby talk" to a 12 yrs old child? treating them like 4 yr's old's. GOSH! Even at Counselling, CW Therapist gave a BABY BOTTLE to a 10 yrs old!!! She said that it will help him out to get out of Baby Years. I was shocked as to speak what kind of Therapist that was! It was an ACTUAL BABY BOTTLE. gosh sick.....
ALL CPS and CW's should have their Mental Evaluated yearly and should be MANDATORY! What are we to say if they force Mental Exam on us, why not them?
I am going to write to the Senate, Congressmen, and Constiuents for this Problem having CPS Stationed in Schools Yearly because of Violation of Privacy Rights. They should not be there at ALL....just like a Wire Tap being Illegal. It is also Illegal Seizure and Illegal SEARCH....they don't have a Warrant to look at your Kids EVERYDAY!!! If they see something wrong much less like a "hair in their eyes" will cause a Probable cause for the Seizure. Appalling!!! and an invasion of Privacy of Children's. All Children has Rights and that right is to their Privacy and Freedom.
CPS ARE STATIONED IN THE SCHOOLS AND STAY THERE AND WATCH KIDS GO BY, EVEN SET UP PROGRAMS THERE FOR KIDS TO ATTEND, BUT THEY REQUIRE PERMISSION SLIP HOME FOR CPS TO TEACH BEHAVIOR PROGRAM CALLED "CLEAR CHOICES". THEY ARE STILL THERE AND MY KIDS WERE FORCIBLY HAD TO TAKE THOSE PROGRAMS WITH THE CPS BECAUSE OF THEIR CONCERNS OF THE KID'S BEHAVIOR.
Then I refused to sign the Permission Slip for the Second Year. Because they already went to the same Program twice.
and obviously, CPS are still there when I drive by the School.
THAT IS THE WORST!!!! There are no escaping those Evils!!!! That is why many many Parents pull them out, and homeschool them or even go to a different School. I see Police and CPS at that school always once a Week every week for the ENTIRE YEAR!!!! Horrible!
They called me to why I did not sign the Permission slip, I told them they already went there twice and obviously it did not work on my Kids. All they do was babying talk to the Kids to death. Did you ever hear them "baby talk" to a 12 yrs old child? treating them like 4 yr's old's. GOSH! Even at Counselling, CW Therapist gave a BABY BOTTLE to a 10 yrs old!!! She said that it will help him out to get out of Baby Years. I was shocked as to speak what kind of Therapist that was! It was an ACTUAL BABY BOTTLE. gosh sick.....
ALL CPS and CW's should have their Mental Evaluated yearly and should be MANDATORY! What are we to say if they force Mental Exam on us, why not them?
I am going to write to the Senate, Congressmen, and Constiuents for this Problem having CPS Stationed in Schools Yearly because of Violation of Privacy Rights. They should not be there at ALL....just like a Wire Tap being Illegal. It is also Illegal Seizure and Illegal SEARCH....they don't have a Warrant to look at your Kids EVERYDAY!!! If they see something wrong much less like a "hair in their eyes" will cause a Probable cause for the Seizure. Appalling!!! and an invasion of Privacy of Children's. All Children has Rights and that right is to their Privacy and Freedom.
mrsmac wrote:Qualification here....
The Lions Club initially approached the schools offering their services to help prevent eyesight problems, blindness etc.
The Lions Clubs work with the CNIB, Seeing Eye Dogs, eye donations, eyeglass donations etc. and is doing this to help the community.
It is all completely volunteer.
The schools in our region no longer have the money to do school initiated eye testing. Many children are therefore left with poor eyesight.
This sounds like a wonderful organization. I have no problem with what they want to accomplish. My problem is when it's FORCED down my throat. If you all want to help people (and I think that's great) THEN SEND A NOTE HOME! Go to the people's homes (that request the service) that CAN'T FIND A RIDE to you're organization.
It's amazing how people will flock to a "free" service. If you can't go to EVERYONE'S house that request's it, because of your own limited funding then might I suggest a NEUTRAL TERRITORY!
Eye exams are NOT BAD and the only reason I'm even talking about it now is because of the governments intrusion on every aspect of our lives. It starts somewhere and it needs to end NOW! They've proven time and time again that they can't be trusted with the simplest of things.
It's time to take control of our government rather than the government controlling us.
Chaco
My thought for the day.........
CPS workers are like Slinkies
Not really good for anything, but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs.
CPS workers are like Slinkies
Not really good for anything, but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs.
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mrsmac wrote:The Lions Club initially approached the schools offering their services to help prevent eyesight problems, blindness etc.
The Lions Clubs work with the CNIB, Seeing Eye Dogs, eye donations, eyeglass donations etc. and is doing this to help the community.
It is all completely volunteer.
I remember in elem. school the lions club would do this program for the low income kids for shoes. I remember being so jealous that they got to go on a mini field trip and miss class AND get a new pair of shoes too ......lol.
But looking back it was a very useful program. I grew up in a section of the southwest that there were only 2 economic groups. Filthy rich, and dirt ass poor. I dont think that I have ever seen anything quite like this program since and its kind of a shame. But I do suppose that it has to do with peoples mentality of even if the item was free and intentions are all good. For some it wasnt good enough. Not name brand ect. Might sound stereotypical, but its the truth. My mother volunteered to work with this program and she often told me about how parents would complain the things werent good enough, or how they didnt want it because it was 'cheap'. (They would take the kids to payless and Kmart, and the like)
As far as the medical things, it was an eye exam at school that caught my poor eyesight in 4th grade and I have been progressivly blind as a bat since. But to point out at the same time. Back in the day parents didnt just take their kids for eye exams until they were told there was a reason to. But same scenario, at my elem. school it was a nurse from the county health that would come in and do the tests. School nurses at that time were not required to really be nurses at all, just have the desire to want a job.
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