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Postby gideonmacleish » Tue Apr 25, 2006 10:34 am

These forums have veered SERIOUSLY off topic, and the majority of posts are either bashing or praising a certain individual on this site. I feel neither is wholly appropriate in context.

I am reluctant to offer advice on these threads because it will ultimately lead to an argument about strategy, and our egoes will become more important than the cause. For this reason, I have become pretty ineffective on this site.

What I am doing is important. ANd I don't want to contribute to the petty arguments and disagreements that are seriously affecting our focus.

I will still post relevant updates and news items. I will still wath the forums somewhat. I can still be reached via private message, and am more than willing to help out personally if I am needed. I just feel very strongly that the politics of this site have gotten out of hand.

I love, respect, and wish the best for all of you. But until we learn to work together instead of fight, we cannot POSSIBLY hope to win against this system. They present a united front; we DON'T.

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Postby RKeyser » Tue Apr 25, 2006 10:40 am

in sorrow I must say AMEN,,

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Postby good dad » Tue Apr 25, 2006 7:03 pm

But until we learn to work together instead of fight, we cannot POSSIBLY hope to win against this system. They present a united front; we DON'T.


Well said...........


A lot of days I come in here and after looking at a couple different threads of arguements, I leave.... it's getting old seeing it everyday..

I get pm's from people that are sick of it..

I've been at my wits end over this for awhile
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Postby grandmatotwingles » Wed Apr 26, 2006 3:54 am

Please don't leave. Even with the difference of oppinions between it all, you ALL have great advice.

You all have helped me and my daugher. Your help is for the children and that's what this is all about.

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Postby ericb » Wed Apr 26, 2006 7:54 am

Therein lies the problem with the internet and forums such as these. I would suggest that every one of us register at meetup.com and post what we are intending to do. It's easy and it's free.
The problem that I see here is that I honestly, from the deepest wells of my soul, believe that there are CPS colluders posting here giving information that might, on the surface, seem appealling, but when put into practice will only lead one to more misery. I own that opinion and I respect others here who feel differently.
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Postby Greegor » Wed Apr 26, 2006 9:13 am

If people can't handle the piddly arguments
in here, how would they EVER be able to
stand up to the agency people in court?

If you want peace at all costs, then just
STIPULATE and submit to WHATEVER the
CPS agency asks you to, hoping you can
appease the alligator.

Why would anybody need advice on how
to surrender like that?

Excuse me, I thought I arrived at "FIGHTCPS.COM"
and not some sort of MUTUAL ADMIRATION SOCIETY.

I would take ideas from the DEVIL himself or
from an ANGEL, but not totally without question.

If you want a whole lot of people agreeing
with each other and never questioning, then
I suggest joining some sort of cult.

That is why CPS is the mess it is!
They pat each other on the back a lot
to improve their morale, because
their public image is so disgraceful.

Is that the kind of UNITY you want?

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Postby Bob_Lynn » Wed Apr 26, 2006 9:22 am

Good point Greegor and I agree. There are many fronts to FIGHT CPS on, the local courts, the federal courts, websites (including forums), media, political platforms, etc. Everyone has an opinion and that means many discussions and discussions will inevitably lead to confrontations, sometimes heated arguments. It's only human.

That said, there is a line that can be crossed and we as adults and not juveniles, have to have a reasonable sense on where to draw it.

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Postby gideonmacleish » Wed Apr 26, 2006 9:30 am

Greegor,

You misunderstand me. I resent your turning this into a forum for your pwn personal attack, as if I was too weak to do battle with CPS.

I am not abandoning this site altogether. I just do not see the prudence in posting advice to someone, as it will almost assuredly degenerate into an argument between people with head cases. I have seen posters get disgusted with the bickering that has come out on their post, and I believe we need to avoid it.

Our opponent is organized, Greegor. VERY organized. We are not, nor, apparently, is there much inclination among most of us to be. We can, and should disagree, but such disagreements should be private and not aired as prominently as they are. WE CANNOT DEFEAT CPS UNLESS WE CAN COME TO SOME SORT OF CONSENSUS AMONG OURSELVES. That fact is something we need to realize, Greegor.

I will not air my specific grievances; doing so would be doing exactly what I am admonishing against. The perpetrators should be adult enough to take an objective look at their own postings and see what they are doing. I will still be available through PM's and email, but I will not be posting to others' posts. I'm not going to feed the beast, so to speak.

I have a wealth of experience in working with activist groups. I KNOW a good deal of what needs to be done, and will be more than willing to help if anyone wants to ORGANIZE the fight against CPS. So far, though, it's mostly either egoes or exhausted activists, from what I have seen. We cannot, and will not, prevail against CPS (which should be our primary goal) unless we are willing to be as organized and professional as they are.

In closing, Greegor, do NOT make assumptions based on YOUR interpretation of what I am saying. OK?

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Postby Dan Sullivan » Wed Apr 26, 2006 9:49 am

gideonmacleish wrote: I have a wealth of experience in working with activist groups. I KNOW a good deal of what needs to be done, and will be more than willing to help if anyone wants to ORGANIZE the fight against CPS. So far, though, it's mostly either egoes or exhausted activists, from what I have seen. We cannot, and will not, prevail against CPS (which should be our primary goal) unless we are willing to be as organized and professional as they are.


You have far more experience in fighting CPS at that level than I do... so I wish you all the success in the world.

Please, keep in touch.

Best, Dan Sullivan


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