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Corporal punishment

Postby TracyP » Sat May 06, 2006 10:50 am

After reading several posts dealing with corporal punishment, I had a thought :idea: ..... Does anyone else wonder why if a parent disciplines a child using corporal punishment it is against the law but if the same children are spanked at school using a paddle it is ok :?:

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Postby Frustrated » Sat May 06, 2006 11:05 am

The Schools used to have Rule as slapping on the hands on the Children a long time ago, about 30 to 40 years ago. We used to have the paddle a long time ago.

All of these stuff stopped and it is not allowed in Schools anymore because they think it is Child Abuse.

Parental's Rights they have been brought up by their Ancestors to use this tactic, and the rest of the people turned out okay and behaved correctly and hold a really decent stable Job.

Since all corporal Punishment has stopped in all Schools, Children of Today are more mischeivious, more getting in alot of trouble, committing crimes, and reoffending. The Teenagers spend alot of their time in Court to answer for the Crimes and the Crimes stemming from Mischief, Break and Entering, Stealiing, Vandalism, etc...etc...and these Children has not been spanked. There was a Study of Children that were not spanked, and they became Adults and told the Interviewers that they were never Spanked. :roll: I believe the Study researched that there were about 35% of Juveneile Dequilents that committed Crimes, were never Spanked.

The other Majority of Children that were spanked, did not commit any Crimes Whatosver.

So this topic is very, very very controversial and hard to prove who is Right? The answer is simple, No one is Right and No one is Wrong...just the Parent's feeling to know that it has to be right in order to correct the Child to save his Life from terrible wrong doings. Or do nothing at all? It is interesting however that permissive Parent, that does not do nothing to correct the Child had Children committing the Crimes in higher percentages than the ones that are Strict Parents that corrected their Children had avoided such Crimes and almost had no Criminal Record.


CPS are trying to say that Strict Parents are not the ones that should be disciplining the Children, it had to be Equal, but with permissive. Why? Let the Children do whatever they want?

Disaster indeed. Would we want Children to be the boss of the World? Who was supposed to be the boss? The Parent was supposed to be, but CPS are always interfering with those tactics on the way the Parent discipline their Children, because they think all of those are Child Abuse. :roll:
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Postby TracyP » Sat May 06, 2006 11:11 am

In America, at least in the south, corporal punishment WITH a paddle is still legal and is still used.

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Postby Frustrated » Sat May 06, 2006 11:15 am

Really?

Oh yes, I remember talking to the Mother saying that her Husband uses the Paddle on the Children and she is fighting with her Husband and wants to get rid of the paddle, etc...etc...they are fighting ever since, and the Scoop?

Her husband was a Minister.

and they live in the South, I think Arkansas. I have not heard from this Lady since. The Last time I heard that she was trying to pin Child Abuse on her Ex husband for paddling on her Children, but they won't intervene because he was a Priest. He now lives in another State and she is still pursuing him as far as I know. That was the end of it.
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Postby TracyP » Sat May 06, 2006 11:32 am

We have lived in 3 different school districts in the 7 years I have had children in school and all three sent home a form for parents to sign stating paddling was ok with the parent (under certain circumstances). And I have friends in at least 12 states and in every state they live in spanking with a paddle by a school official is legal. If you look through the state spanking laws http://familyrightsassociation.com/info ... g_laws.htm there are several that state it is not ok to spank unless done by a teacher or school official :!: :shock: :!:
So one would think they have a special class on how to spank LOL
That brings up the follow up :?:

If you are a teacher in those states is it ok to spank your own children LOL :twisted:

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Postby Dazeemay » Sat May 06, 2006 11:56 am

It goes to show one how idiotic our world has become.

I can remember, this is the old days back in the late 40's and 50's my father's razor strap. For those who are young that is a strap that men sharpened their razor on. We often got to help him sharpent it.

But, it was not only for the razor our posteriors received many a swat with it. If we moved too much to avoid it then our legs caught the sting of it and the marks of it on our legs.

All eight of us have fantastic lives and it was those spankings that helped shape our lives.

I remember the last time my mother used it on me. I was about ten yrs old. It was then I decided that it was not worth the pain or agony to disobey.
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Postby dasuberding » Sat May 06, 2006 12:25 pm

As far as I can tell, corporal punishment is still legal in all 50 states. You just can't go overboard with it. I believe it is the agenda of these CPS types to outlaw corporal punishment due to some alleged abuse that they themselves suffered in their pasts. I believe that CPS and the kangaroo courts promote radical feministic and socialistic ideals. One thing I have noticed is that 75%/80% of all the scumbags we have had to deal with have been women, and single women at that. Divorced single women. Tells me something. I asked one of these goons why she does what she does and how can she sleep at night and she answered with this, "everybody needs a little help". I explained to her that this is America and you can't force your "help" on people, she just gave me a little smile. She's obviously smarter than I am. After a records request and discovering what she had been writing about us, we confronted her and guess what? She quit. We also explained the "immunity" clause to her and when it works and when it doesn't work. It's this "It Takes a Village" mentality that we are fighting and these broken people, these agenda driven feminists are the ones who need to be proven wrong.

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Postby TracyP » Sat May 06, 2006 12:41 pm

I was spanked by my mother (dad couldn't bring himself to spank me...I was and still am a daddys girl :twisted: ) until I was around 10. I also helped with chores around the house including vacumning, dusting, dishes, cooking, mowing the yard, planting and taking care of the garden, washing the car etc until I moved out. My brother (10 years younger) was brought up by the same parents but was not disciplined very often. He was rarely spanked instead mom tried time outs and grounding (and rarely stuck to her guns about the time limits for those). He wasn't required to do anything around the house.

Fast foreward to present........I've had the same husband for 14 years, have three children, and have been a nurse for 13 years. I held the same job for 6 years while holding down 2 part-time jobs, 1 for 10 years the other for 14 years. I am now self employed (for 7 years ). Until we moved we owned our own home and have little debt.

My brother's longest relationship was less than a year. He's been fired from so many jobs I can't count them all (didn't start work until he was 19 and literally has gone thru about 5+ jobs per year). He's over $100,000 in debt (and makes less than $30k per year when he's employed). He kept moving back in with my parents after loosing every job and place to live. The last time he lived with my parents he wouldn't even clean up after himself and brought a part rottweiler (HUGE DOG) with him as an INSIDE pet (my parents live on a cattle farm). After over 2 years of him yelling at my parents esp my dad and physically pushing dad around (dad didn't retaliate ...... hes 72) and "borrowing" and totalling 3 of their cars mom finally told brother to get out or she would have to involve the police (which because of the things with our situation she doesn't trust anyhow).

Now which kid would you rather have????

I admit it fully....I do spank my children. First I ask them if they know what they did wrong, I discipline then when they've calmed back down I ask for an apology. My kids are 7 (8 in July), 9 and 11 (12 in 2 weeks). I haven't needed to spank any of them for a couple of months.

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Postby Dazeemay » Sat May 06, 2006 12:46 pm

these agenda driven feminists are the ones who need to be proven wrong.


I don't care for the feminist movement either, but the pendulum swung the other way when women struggled to get from under the dominant male movement.

I guess they figure it is pay back time.

Both movements are and were radical.

Now how does one balance the two in this society?? Never going to happen.
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This is not legal advice;hopefully wisdom

To put it in simple terms…when the authorities ARE the perpetrators and the perpetrators ARE the authorities, there is no earthly justice or recourse, at the end of the day (unless the American people wake up).

Therefore, those who have achieved the highest levels of power seek to ‘enjoy’ the most grievous and extreme injustices. For many of those in the highest circles of power, the greatest statement of power is to perpetrate the greatest possible injustice…the savage, brutal traumatization and abuse of an innocent child.
http://themurkynews.blogspot.com/ MattTwoFour

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http://www.parentalrightsandjustice.com/index.cgi?ctype=Page;site_id=1;objid=45;curloc=Site:1

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Postby Frustrated » Sat May 06, 2006 3:55 pm

Yes, I agree. They will eventually know the difference between those two's. They will find out that most Children that were spanked functioned better in Society THAN the ones that were never spanked.

I was only spanked several times by my Dad, but never by my Mother. Mother always tell Dad to do it as she could not bring herself to it. I stopped those actions and smarten right up. I never committed any crimes and I work very hardest to the best ability I know how. I graduated from College for four Years in Business and the thing is I am Deaf! I work harder as a Stay at Home Mom at home, always carry on my responsibility to raise my Children I know how and try my darnest best to do it. People often say I am a hard worker and can do everything myself.

I see so many Children come and go...I see alot of difference between the ones that are spanked and the ones that are lackey Kids, and what happen to lackey Kids?

Lackey Kids are out on the street committing mischief. They almost do whatever they pleased to do, not having to listen to Momma or Dadda anymore because they knew CPS will help them get away with it. Just like that. And Parents are at their wit's end and not knowing what to do with their own Children.

Saddening indeed of what the World is coming to.
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Postby Greegor » Sun May 07, 2006 6:38 pm

Laws about spanking in school vary wildly.
The states that allow it tend to be in the Southern US.
Rumor has it that in a few of those states
that allow schools to paddle kids, parents are
not allowed to spank their own kids.
That is an upside down situation.


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Postby Greegor » Fri May 26, 2006 10:11 am

dasuberding wrote on Sun May 07, 2006
I asked one of these goons why she does what she does and how can she sleep at night and she answered with this, "everybody needs a little help". I explained to her that this is America and you can't force your "help" on people, she just gave me a little smile. She's obviously smarter than I am. After a records request and discovering what she had been writing about us, we confronted her and guess what? She quit. We also explained the "immunity" clause to her and when it works and when it doesn't work. It's this "It Takes a Village" mentality that we are fighting and these broken people, these agenda driven feminists are the ones who need to be proven wrong.


From Greg
Was there something she wrote in the RECORDS she
knew she was going to get sued for?

Congratulations on getting rid of one more goon!

Did you ever investigate where she went to work
after that?

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Postby Greegor » Fri May 26, 2006 10:15 am

Hi Kane!
All the anti-spanking zealotry gave you away.

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Postby Bob_Lynn » Fri May 26, 2006 10:44 am

They always give themselves away sooner or later.
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Postby gideonmacleish » Fri May 26, 2006 10:51 am

I can also point you to pro-spanking advocates, such as Dr. James Dobson. While he may be controversial, his credentials equal or exceed those of every expert cited in your links, firemonkey.

I personally don't prefer spanking except in very limited circumstances. In my experience, there is usually a better option. But I would rather leave the decision up to loving parents than make it for them.

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Postby Dan Sullivan » Fri May 26, 2006 11:48 am

firemonkey wrote:Kane? please explain


Kane is a member of another news group.

Greegor thinks you have the same opinion as he... so you must be the same person.

Just like anyone who thanks me for my advice is me as another personna.

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Postby firemonkey » Fri May 26, 2006 11:58 am

Oh for goodness sakes!
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Postby Dan Sullivan » Fri May 26, 2006 12:31 pm

gideonmacleish wrote: I can also point you to pro-spanking advocates, such as Dr. James Dobson. While he may be controversial, his credentials equal or exceed those of every expert cited in your links, firemonkey.


Just because someone posts links it doesn't mean they support the information.

It's just a link.

My cousin freaked out because I was watching Bill O'Reilly.

"He's completely anti-liberal!!! You shouldn't be watching him!!!"

I watch Bill O because I like to see what he's going to say, not that I support it at all.


gideonmacleish wrote:I personally don't prefer spanking except in very limited circumstances. In my experience, there is usually a better option. But I would rather leave the decision up to loving parents than make it for them.


Spanking should be the discipline of last resort.

And used appropriately on children of appropriate age.

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Postby gideonmacleish » Sat May 27, 2006 8:59 am

Dan Sullivan wrote:
gideonmacleish wrote: I can also point you to pro-spanking advocates, such as Dr. James Dobson. While he may be controversial, his credentials equal or exceed those of every expert cited in your links, firemonkey.


Just because someone posts links it doesn't mean they support the information.

It's just a link.



Agreed. I wasn't saying anything pro or con on firemonkey's posts, either, just pointing people to the other side of the debate. I thought the posts were useful, even if I disagreed with them.

And I agree with spanking's use as a last resort, personally. But I don't think it should ever be forbidden a parent.

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Postby firemonkey » Sat May 27, 2006 9:53 am

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Postby gideonmacleish » Sat May 27, 2006 10:06 am

firemonkey;

Let's not turn this into a "slam Gideon" thread, shall we? You posted points, I posted counterpoints; that was it. I'm as entitled to my opinion as you are to yours.

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