My kids are in a gay foster home. organizing a protest

[donita]

We have some momentum in gaining the interest and support of church leaders and senators. The Govenor has heard us and we are awaiting his position on our situation. The gay foster home is just the tip of the ice berg, but officials are listening. However, we are laying our family on the line. They don't fight fair and they are already hurting our kids to protect themselves. That is why I am trying to expose our situation openly. What they do to us they will have to do openly. We are organizing a protest with the Senator as one possible guest speaker. He has personally encouraged us,and is willing to speak if we organize. They are holding our children on an alligation that has already been disclaimed by a judge in another state. We are not and have never been the people that we have been accused of being. I have that inside of me. Whether we stand the storm (we will stand) or are just blown away like thousands of others, I will be able to stand before God and give the account that we laid it on the line to try and help ALL the children who have been taken captive from thier families, who must suffer a form of stockholm syndrom just to survive. I truly believe that our case is strong enough to make a difference. My daughter has a story to tell, just like many of yours. We have to save them first.

[Greegor]

I noticed a mention about a gay foster home on CNN.
Is it your case or another?

My big gripe about this is that fosters
should not be trying to alter the family culture
of the children.

I know of a Jewish family where the
kids were made to eat pork and get baptized
in a foster home. Repugnant.

To take kids from a conservative religious
home with strong anti gay values and
place them with gay fosters is pretty rotten.

These ""workers"" are like some kind of
doktor frankenstein trying their experiments
in social engineering.

[Frustrated]

I agree. And they also resort to Brainwashing on Children. It is like a total Government Indocirnation unit. The Bigger Picture you and I know what the World is coming to.

It is just pure Evil and it is getting worse. Families wrecked, and High Divorces, and Filth, and Destruction, Wars, Greed of the money...you name it. And also Sickness spreads and even death.

I am just appalled to know that there are more than 520,000 Foster Children currently in Foster Care System. That is just too many Ruined Families. These Children DOES NOT HAVE STRUCTURE or STABILITY OR anything! Shift, one home to another, up to three or even five times...no love, and feeling abandoned.

It is just sickening.

[donita]

God is the creator of everything, without Him nothing could be made. creation is not random. We all know that there is an order to making things. Like you can't make ice cream without milk. It takes a man and a woman to make a family. Anything other than the genetic definition for family alters God's intent. Altering God's intent is a sin and sin seperates us from peace with God. God loved us and sent us His son Jesus Christ who advocated for us like no advocate here ever has. Jesus even advocated for homosexuals. He even advocated for a rotten sinner like me. The difference is that I hate my sin and I don't try to lead others, who God loves, away from Him. Jesus has favor with God and whose ever case Jesus takes win. And Jesus takes all cases that are willing to get right with God.

Homosexuals who try to act like a family are deceiving themselves. Otherwise, they would not call each other husband and wife. In our case one wouldn't dress and act like a man. It doesn't matter how sweet and kind, nor how many tears of mistreatment they cry to my daughter, God is not going to change the way you make a family. Not even if they were cloned. It still takes a boy and a girl. Anyway if they were so good, they would have understood when I kindly and respectfuly asked them to call and request the state move my girls.
They can't make babies you see and my daughter has a beautiful one. My daughter lives in fear that if she makes one mistake they will take her daughter, just like they took her from me.

[Shirley]

Donita, I realize that for your beliefs, it is wrong for your children to be placed in a gay home.

However, for others, it would not be so.

Not everyone believes in the Christian ethic of a Creator-God.

I have a personal gripe where my granddaughter is right now. They are feeding her pork and beef, and WE don't eat those things.

They are exposing her to alcohol, and we don't drink.

They are exposing her to (ugh!) country music...and that is NOT our lifestyle choice for music, either.

They speak of taking her fishing. Killing a fish, when she has two pet fish right here, that she always fed!


Personally, I'd rather she was in a gay household than where she is now, with their scewed Christian ethics.

But for you, with your beliefs...your children should NOT be there. Anymore that a Jewish or Muslem child should be made to eat pork.

[Frustrated]

Yes, but the Fact that CPS are CHANGING THE ENTIRE Family Traditions, Morals, and Values in these Children and the Children are already damaged and confused, because CPS changed their religion up bringing.

I would be appalled to find out if my Children were forced to become something else where they were already taught at home?

It is like changing a Muslim to a Catholic.

Appalling indeed and CPS should not be the one that can always eliminate a Family upbringing and stuff like that. It can entirely confuse a Child for long term psch. and mental health. I do believe CPS and Foster Care would harm them with Emotional and Mental, Psh. Abuse on Children.

For example: "Now you can call me Mommy and your Mommy shall be named Betty??"

WHaaaat? Is that the right way to teach a Child to call them Mommy and forget the other Mommy?

And the Fact they said it is Normal? That is BECAUSE CPS TEACHES THEM, that's why!

[Shirley]

I agree. There should be a way to match the children to a foster home.

For example, a Christian with a Christian, a pagan with a pagan, etc.

[Frustrated]

Exactly!

Unfortunately they don't respect it.

There ought to be a Human Rights Violations Case slapped on them every time they violate Family's Rights.

On unrelated Case, not related to this, I have sued them for Human Rights Violations for not getting an Interpreter for me due to my deafness disability and I won.

They refused to get an Interpreter for 5 years! I had 5 cases in 5 years...and yet No Interpreter. Oh, maybe twice? That's it?

Not only violations to Religion Right, they also violate Disability Rights, and Medical Rights, and so

[Shirley]

Frustrated, my oldest son is deaf, so I know how that goes! However, he's always been able to get one by refusing to acknowledge that anyone was even talking to him

[Frustrated]

Are you saying that CPS did in fact get an Interpreter to ask Questions with your Son? Did they do that at School?

Just curious.

They have ignored my Rights, and I insisted on it, and yet I was ignored for 5 years. I am thinking about slapping them another one of those Human Rights Violations. They have to learn to RESPECT Disabled Parents. It seems to me that they try to get away with things.

[Shirley]

My son is now almost 26, but there way back (over 20 years ago), when he was going to school, and there was an incident, he was at a school for the deaf, hence, lots of interpreters.

But, in general life, he's not had an issue getting an interpreter when he felt he needed one.

He is quite active in the deaf community here and in some other states and even in Mexico though. He also refuses to call himself "disabled", even though he has almost no hearing. (Enough that he can hear a train standing next to it)

But, that's just the way he is. He's not had to deal with any real authorities yet, except Border Patrol..and that was interesting to say the least (he was convinced he was going to held in Mexico!)

[Frustrated]

hehe of course. I don't calling myself "Disabled" or "Hearing Impaired", it just sounds dirty word to me. I call myself Deaf. That's it. It was those uneducated People that calls us "Disabled" and "Poor things" or whatever they call us. Don't know what they are calling us these days as we don't hear them every day. But they probably were muting it and won't say it out loud, ya know?

It just alot of Discrimination going on around the Nation, and this one is just one example, and the other is Religion Right and the other is Gays and such and so forth. There are too many things to list. But the fact that we have the RIGHT to exercise to what we want for our Children, and for our Family.

Why the need to impose hiprocisy into us for? They "think" us people are easy to be brainwashed or something.

[donita]

WOW! that was so great, thank you. I agree with everything that was said.

I am raising as big a stink about this as I can because the Tennessee handbook says that foster parents must respect and provide access to the foster childs family beliefs. However, my child is having to survive in that environment whether I like it or not.

It is important to me that I show my daughter how to stand up for her beliefs.

I also believe that the schools system, the media, a large part of the government are systematicaly attempting to socialize Americans.

I believe that what they are doing to us is calculated and deliberate.

I will not just roll over while whoever THEY are, turns America into a socialistic society.

I will live my life with the American Spirit before my kids, whether they live with me or not.

I can't tell my kids what to believe, but I will show them what I believe. And because they are held captive while being brainwashed, I must be bold and speak with a clear voice.

I will not break the law, I will not hurt or vandelize anyone or anything. I will win without trickery. The state will know that there is a God. And that Americans are people with honor, respect, and dignity.

THEY SHOULD TRY BEING ONE.

[Frustrated]

Yes there is a mention in the CPS Manual that CPS must respect the Families according to their Religion, Morals, Traditions and Values, etc..etc...etc...and yet they ignored that?

Amazing.

When all of this is over, would be good to get a Lawsuit going to sue them for violations of your Civil Rights.

But you are right, God will take care of all that so I rest assured of that. No worries. God is going to make Evil/Bad People pay for what was done on Poor People like us and make us suffer for nothing. They are the ones should fear God because the death is coming onto them. I don't fear these little people and they can take all away and they won't take away my inner Beliefs. Period. I mean God is Watching them.

Other than that, all I have to sit and wait, and be patient for the World to unfold. It is getting worse, eh? It is not good Sign and I won't be a party to it.

Be Strong and have Hope. Everyone will get their things and Children back.

[donita]

You have to understand. My daughter and granddaughter was in a drug dealing foster home for 5 months when I found out I called the police. They treated me like a trouble maker and called the foster parents and informed them. The foster parents called us over and over. I didn't answer the phone. I knew it wasn't my daughter calling because she always calls on her cell phone. The foster mom set my daughter up by allowing her to spend the night with us.

We did not sign the permanency plan and the last court session upheld that we did not have to. I have always had unsupervised visits as often as I wanted.

The case manager came to take my daughter and my granddaughter back into custody. My daughter turned in the foster home.

For punishment she was placed in a gay foster home. Now, because I have a problem with homosexuality the foster parents do not want me to know where they live. And they keep saying they can't confirm with anyone that I can see my granddaughter.

My daughter sits in that house day after day not allowed to go anywhere except with them. It is just her and her daughter, cut off from her friends and all of her family. God has given her one person who is allowed to see her. It is a 27 year old man she met from her last foster home.

They are baiting her to mess up, I know they are. Our only contact now is her cell phone. Everyday I have to encourage her to hang on. Don't show temper. Be respectful. I'm fighting with everything I have, just hang on. We are going on a month now.

Her guardian and our lawyer are meeting monday to arrange for her to come home if my husband leaves.

My precious husband is laying down his life again. He will do anything to save them as well.

If they have set her up with false hope I fear they will have broken her for good.

[Frustrated]

Yes I understand. Many times CPS would force Husbands, Boyfriends, Partners to leave the house. They are truly Family Wreckers. Most CPS are Feminists and with no Children. They don't truly know what a Family is all about. They are all about Chaos.

They made my Partner of 7 years leave the house, so I can understand where you come from.

Have Faith and God promises that Children will be returned back to the Parent Justly. Just Pray all the time and have Hope, it will happen. If they are truly stronger like Evil, then you know there are all Evil all around, and they will pay the price for imposing sufferings on poor people like us. I rest assured of that message knowing they will pay a high dear price some day with God.

[righteousbabe]

Of course I just HAVE to respond.

First of all I will say this: I think CPS should respect family cultures no matter what.

I would highly object to my kids being placed in a homophobic household, or even a highly religious household. That's not what they've been raised with.

I think it is wrong to disrespect what the kids are used to in that manner.

Now, on to other things.

I am part of a "two mom" FAMILY.

We are FAMILY.

Guess what else? CPS doesn't grant us any special treatment. I can't tell you how many times I've heard that CPS is made up of a "bunch of lesbians". Oh really? I haven't met one yet. I'm sure there is some basis to it but it hasn't been our experience.

In fact, when I requested help from a local Gay/lesbian parenting group, I was met with utter disbelief. Many in the group WERE or had been in the "social work" field or had foster kids and they refused to believe that cps was not "going by the book" and refused to believe that CPS would do the things I was claiming.

They all but called me a liar. I think the same holds true for all of society though: no one believes what CPS can do until they experience it first hand. Otherwise it just sounds like abusive parents whining and trying to shift blame. Sad, but true.

I'm not saying anyone in this thread has made that claim, but it IS a stereotype (the "lesbian CPS" thing) , and the bottom line is, it doesn't matter. They have cut US no slack, that's for sure. In fact, we've suspected that it might just be part of why they won't leave us alone. It's only acceptable to be upper class and gay. The "ghetto lesbian" gets nowhere with these people. LOL. The thing is bias has NO place in these cases, no matter what kind of bias it is: class, sexual orientation, religion, racial.

I may sound jaded but I know good and well that if we were a lesbian family with one partner who was a doctor and the other a college professor, they wouldn't even get past the initial investigation stage. They are on us because we are a POOR, working class family and they know we don't have the resources to fight back.

In my case, my original family structure was that of man/woman/two kids. My ex husband drank constantly and had serious problems with untreated depression. I will not go into details but suffice to say I did ALL I could for 10 years to save that marriage. He began to become abusive in his misery and enough was enough.

He is since much better. Never could have happened though if we were together, I don't think. We just brought out the worst in each other.

My kids were miserable. I was miserable.

I have always had relationships with men AND with women, throughout my life. It was just how I was wired, from early on. It just so happens that I met a woman after splitting with my husband, and my children understand that they have THREE parental figures who love them and take care of them. They only have two "blood" parents and they know that, but they consider themselves to be blessed to have that much more love.

In regards to "calling theirselves a family" I have to ask: Would you have told my girlfriend and her son that they were "not a real family"? She was 15 years old, a virgin, and was raped by an older friend who was giving her a ride to the skating rink.

On the way there he claimed to need to stop by his house for something. She knew him and had known him for a year (small town) so she thought nothing of going inside with him. He locked the door and turned on her. Broke some ribs in the process. She ended up pregnant as a result, and she didn't believe in abortion, and when it came down to it, with family support, decided to raise her son on her own. He had the nerve to try and come visit his child, even talked about trying to get CUSTODY! An older relative with a shotgun scared him away from the house for good.

He was later imprisoned for raping a 14 year old girl.

She is a homosexual, yes, and so there was no hope for there to ever be a "traditional" family for that child, but he was loved, and cherished, and what would you have had her do? To demand that kids like that should be placed for adoption makes us (as a society) no better than CPS.

To her and her son, they were as much of a family as any other family.

I am not saying you (the OP or anyone else in this thread) are saying any of these things directly. I just wanted to make some points about what "family" is. Our kids surely do consider us their family and they don't like the idea of CPS destroying our family any more than anyone else around here does.

Off soapbox. I DO agree that children should be matched well to foster families.

[Greegor]

righteousbabe:

My experience as a male has been more in line
with some of the cliche's than you can accept.

I kind of developed an "armchair" or amateur
sociologist sort of interest in gay/lesbian cultures.

I'm so very straight that it was like studying
alien cultures I guess.

I saw quiet "passing" gay men who were
really irked off about the militant OUT ones,
ACT UP and the "Flamers" (think Mardi Gras).

I saw denial about how many gay and lesbian
couples role play at hetero male/female roles.
Butch/Fem Top/Bottom Dom/Sub etc.

In Minneapolis there were actually many
varieties of gay and lesbian society.

I doubt that you see as much of the OUT
cultures in Texas..

Like it or not there are strong connections
between ultra liberals, ultra Feminism,
Man haters, Butch lesbians and various
other issues including CPS.

It was extremely obvious in Minneapolis.

What always amazed me is how the
lifestyle, subculture and politics were so
intertwined for those people.

One of my liberal college buddies didn't believe
the 80's cliche about Lesbians running
the National Organization for Women (NOW).
He had a rude awakening when he had
the hots for a woman who was a regional
leader of NOW, actually dated her and
wasn't getting anywhere. Eventually
he figured it out.

The people who created all of the course
materials for Domestic Violence used
throughout the USA? Lesbians in Duluth MN.

My then wife in 1994 perpetrated domestic violence.
They didn't have perpetrator classes for women
so she was put into a victims class which,
on top of her bipolar condition and belligerant
attitude only made things worse. I went to meet
with her instructors to ask if she would get
ANY instruction as a PERP.. Two of her
women instructors at the YWCA actually
walked down the hall arm in arm, in an
embrace that was not platonic. (1994)

The child protection center video interviewer
that was involved in my family's DHS case
got divorced just months after the interview
and changed her name due to that.
Then she filed to change her MIDDLE
name only in December of 2005.
I did some investigation and found out
that her new middle name is her
partner's last name. Gay/Lesbian marriage
is not legal in Iowa, so they exchanged
middle and last names through
legal name changes.

I have been fascinated by the cultural
quirks like how many would deny the
hetero role playing thing even as their
own personals state Butch/Fem...

I was once shocked to learn that at
mixed gay bars there is a lot of tension
between Lesbians and gay men.
I had always thought they were such
strong ALLIES, but the cliche' about
male hatred seems to pan out and
gay men seem to simply return
the hostile attitudes.

A "passing" gay man explained to me
why his crowd dislikes the militantly
OUT (ACT UP) types and the Flamers.

As I understand it, gay/lesbian culture
is extremely varied but the OUT types,
Flamers and leather bar types seem
to be a larger city (hot spot) phenomenon.

Another phenomenon that is interesting
is the way that hetero ultraliberals patronize
gays, lesbians and minorities in order
to elevate their status as liberals.
A Lesbian friend gave me the term
"Liberal Brownie Points" as part of
her description of this phenomenon.

More mild forms of this do seem to
exist within the agency cultures in
many CPS agencies.

Have you ever seen Butch women
who overdo their perception of male
behavior?

It's a counterpart of the drag queen
who is more "femmy" than most
actual women. A cartoon like imitation.

I am quite used to powerful women
but I also quickly recognize this cartoon
like exaggeration in a butch woman.

Lesbian or hetero it's just funny.

Especially when she wrings her fists
stomps and demands like Colonel
Klink from Hogans Heros right in
the courthouse hallway.

I am personally ambivalent about gay
and lesbian people but I think that
like celebate clergy they make LOUSY
marital counselors, etc.

But this is similar to my attitude
about bitter childless caseworkers
giving me their NAIVE academic advice
about children.

Have you actually run into a caseworker
who is bitter and childless?
I did, and I have her on tape dodging that fact.

Certainly you may not have experienced
that kind of caseworker, but if you DID
you would never forget it.

No cliche is always true or always false.

It's just a "pattern" people observe
or describe.

[righteousbabe]

I think my whole point here was that while there may be biases and there may be perceptions about how a lesbian caseworker would handle a case, when it comes down to it the single biggest "crime" you can commit with CPS is being POOR.

While there could be lesbian 'bias' going on in our case (against us) by someone with deep seated issues, I think that it would magically go away if we had money.

If you are of any "target group", racial minority, ethnic minority, gay, straight, single dad, whatever, they yes, as CPS worker can use that TOO, but if you are poor, well, they know you can't fight and that is the bottom line.

I know others will disagree but I know deep down that if I could drop $20k tomorrow (or even $10) to 'sic' a good lawyer on them I would only be on this site to offer support, not to seek assistance.

They have only been able to pursue this bogus crap and make stuff up all along because we do not have the MONEY to fight aggressively.

I won't even get into the whole butch/femme thing, but I will say that you might consider doing some SERIOUS study on fluidity of gender and gender expression.

[Frustrated]

I have no problems with Lesbian and Gay's Choices in that path, it is really their choice and their own decisions.

But I would have to object to the fact that CPS force the Children (force their throats) down to their own way of lifestyles where they were already brought up in Families with their traditions, values, and such.

I just don't think anyone can force you to go into their ways, some one has to choose on their own and these poor children can't make their own choices/decisions. They were forced into it.

I just believe Life is all about Choices/making Decisions and what paths you want to take, and the Families has had already established their morals, values, and lifestyles into these Children and they would be removed and forced into different place that goes against their beliefs.

Again, people that make their choices/decisions freely are the ones I have no problem with. I just have a problem with some one (CPS) that forces the other against their beliefs. If the Family Object, CPS should respect their Rights, especially Children's Rights.

Some one has to protect these Children's Rights. It seems to me that no one is protecting these Children's Rights. That is what I would be appalled about.

[donita]

We made such a noise based on the fact that we are obviously christian, my husband is a preacher.

We argued frantically that we did not want our children in a gay foster home. We made such a noise that the senator in our district is very interested in what the real laws are. He contacted the the head of DCS of Tennessee.

He discovered that anyone can become a foster parent and they will not discriminate against anyone wanting to become a foster parent possibly even convicted felons, and definitetly satanists are welcome to become foster parents.

Biological parents have no say in where thier children are place.

There is going to be an argument on the senate floor in January regarding this.

I will start a new topic on this when I get home this evening.

I stompted my feet so hard over this that I got my kids home.

[Shirley]

I appreciate your position, Donita.

However, I highly doubt a convicted felon could become a foster.

And Satanists? Why not? Its just another religion. They don't sacrifice babies or drink blood. Most of them are just for "show" and do not even believe there IS a Satan.

How about neopagans? Should they be excluded also?

I also would NOT choose to place my child/grandchild in a fundamentalist Christian home. It totally violates MY beliefs.

They have our baby girl in a home where they eat pork and beef!! WE don't eat those items. No, I'm not muslem. I'm not religious anything.

How about this Donita? I'll send grandbaby to your gay foster parents..and you can send yours to our "Christian" home? (that IS a joke)

My question for you is: Is it ONLY because they are gay that you object?

Because you know.."gayism" is not contagious. Anymore than heterosexualism is. You either are or you are not. Not a choice. And for those who would say "yes, it is a choice!" Let me ask this:
"Did you choose to be heterosexual?" Did you one day, wake up and say "I think I'll be attracted to the opposite sex as opposed to the same sex." No, of course you didn't. And neither does a homosexual.

Sorry, I truly did not mean to make this about "gay rights"..or to slam anyone, though I'm sure it comes off that way.

It DOES come down to beliefs. Now, I could go forward and insist that baby girl be placed in a neopagan, new age, leaning towards Buddhism, nonchristian, nonpork and nonbeef eating home. What are the chances of finding one? Outside of our own, that is?

There are things that drive us crazy. Pick your battles carefully. Where baby is now, they talk about taking her fishing, of all things!! We don't go fishing, we raise fish..she feeds them! And they want to take her to kill them??

Ok..enough of that.

There's something else to consider. Foster home availability has reached a critical point. There just aren't enough to go around. The other options are shelters where many children live.

The best solution is to work with them. Have you tried to talk to the fosters? Explain your beliefs to them and what you like to see continue to be taught?

[Greegor]

In regard to foster contractors: Gayness not infectious?

I believe sexual orientation is much more
about "indoctrination" than the gay community
would like everybody to know.

I have seen the hard science about
biological basis, men with female
brains, etc.

But I have also seen young boys who got
into it much the same as young people
join the "Goth Scene" or any of a number
of other subgroups. The ones I observed
were desperate to "fit in somewhere", to be
accepted as part of a group of any kind.

Some seem to be looking for a way to
shock parents or others, some seem
to need DRAMA. When I was in college
I knew a woman (theatre major) who was
liberal and so refused to believe the
cliche' about gays/lesbians and THEATRE.
When the theatre department at the
University had a bus field trip she found
the cliche' was startlingly true.
The people on the bus were all coupled
up and she and one guy were the
only heteros on the entire bus.

Another portion of gay men were
actually victims of "buggery" or gay
molestation as children.

A huge portion of Lesbians were hetero
but after experienceing Domestic Violence
they became Lesbians. Clearly these women
were not "born to be Lesbian" and this is not a
biological basis.

-----------------------

Yes, being POOR is still the thing that makes
a family a more likely target.

On the witness stand they say it's not.
In the literature they say it's not.

Statistics about child abuse don't justify
an economic basis or a bias like that.

There is lots of evidence against it, but
YES, economics and ability to pay a lawyer
are blatantly involved.

20K would buy you justice?

I know of somebody who sold the family
farm to battle the agency. Their attorney
burned up the money from the proceeds and
then dropped them.

It was CONSIDERABLY more than 20K.

In five years of scrapping with the agency
and their outright LIARS, we took great
interest in a newspaper piece where they
stated their cost for a number of children.
We divided to get the cost per child per year.

I think it was about 130K dollars for the agency
for one child. Since we haven't made it easy,
we think it has cost them considerably more
than their average. Then there are the legal costs
for the Judge, Court and the many state paid
attorneys involved. Don't forget the various
SERVICES like visit supervision, ""therapy""
etc. We're guessing that if all of the costs
are calculated truly, that my family's case
has cost the governments over a MILLION
dollars per year, likely a total of FIVE MILLION.

A mere 20K would be"throwing good money after bad".

[Momoffor]

Pick your battles.

[dasuberding]

"when it comes down to it the single biggest "crime" you can commit with CPS is being POOR"

No, the single biggest crime is being white and male, money has nothing to do with it.