Case workers are people too.

[donita]

I think on some level, case workers want to help children. They are trying to work a system that is sooooo broke. I believe they have seen alot. I think they get lied to alot too, until they do not even think in terms of honest integrity. They have to be able to sleep at night, so somehow each of them have to be able to turn off the moral centers in thier souls or twist them around. I feel sorry for them as people. Every time they mess somebody up they have to justify it to themselves somehow. I've never met a rich case worker but I have met a few over burdened ones. I fear seasoned case worker more than new ones because I think they have lost a part of thier humanity. You would think they would rejoice at happy endings but no; they act like you have beat them at a game of chess. However I did have a case worker once that cried on the phone to me befor court and said, "If you don't get your daughter back it will be a crime." Her sentiment was encouraging but she still wasn't willing to put her job or bonus or what ever incentive they get, on the line to make it happen. We did win, but she was only willing to go so far to help. I hope she quits before she loses her soul too. No job is worth that.

[Frustrated]

Unfortunately, we only have very few good Caseworkers that has a "heart" but they have to follow what Supervisors tells them to do.

They must make Services, and they must make money for that Agency.

The Bad ones overweights over the good ones, and that is the price that the good Caseworker has to pay for the wrongdoing that the other Workers do.

Sure they are people, but we cannot be fooled into this Trickersty. They are capable of tricking people into things and the Fear they put into Families are real.

We can't consider emotions in all of this, because it could lead us into their traps. We cannot afford to do it because of all the hurts that they have had done to make all Families suffer in this way is unfathomable. Even Evil People are capable of duping, tricking people into things. We can't be a party to it. I am sorry for the Good People that works there but surely if they knew what these Workers are doing, then why are they playing into this conspiracy of games? They are involved too. If they don't like what they are seeing, all they have to do is to resign the Work place where they are from, and go into a better Job that entails Honesty. This CPS Job does not involve honesty and surely the good ones knows that.

I don't believe that the good people are playing the violin because they are clever people playing into the same evil work that others are doing. That is the difference between "clever" and "good/humble" ones. The Clever ones are just as bad as the next evil person. The Humble Ones would never, never work in that field, not after seeing so much evil wrongdoings. Why are they still a party to it?

That's the question.

[blueeyes97603]

I know of three social workers in ca who left the system because they could not take it. One of them called me and said, guess what I have broken up my 3rd family and it will be my last. It is really sad for the kids that really abused to loose the few good ones would did care aout them.

[righteousbabe]

:?: I know of three social workers in ca who left the system because they could not take it. One of them called me and said, guess what I have broken up my 3rd family and it will be my last. It is really sad for the kids that really abused to loose the few good ones would did care aout them.

My sympathy is limited.

I mean, I could work as a debt collector, harassing people all day who can't even pay the rent... because I could morally claim that they "should" pay their bills and that they are just deadbeats.... but I don't do that, because I've been on the other end.

I have a friend of a friend who is an ex CPS employee. She now works on her own doing home studies for adoptions. She took the high road. There are other jobs in the field. CPS is not the only way you can work to better the lives of children.

When I worked for a company that was fraudulently forging checks and duping people left and right (time share sales) out of money they didn't have, I left. And I reported them. It was the only job I had, and my skills are mainly clerical, but I couldn't work for someone like that and sleep well at night.

Our previous caseworker was, for the most part, really nice, though her personality at times did reveal that she had a serious "control freak" problem. Regardless, she was the nicest, most reasonable one I've ever had contact with. She and I used to have the most interesting discussions about class and society and politics. When she ended our case, after six months of services, she told us she had every reason to believe we were doing wonderfully as a family unit and to keep up the good work. She parted with "If you ever need me for ANYTHING, and I mean, ANYTHING, please call me".

So, 2 months later when Hell, Round 2 started, who'd we call?

And who do you think never called us back despite FRANTIC and REPEATED tearful phone messages????

She was the one person on "their side" who could have vouched for us, who could have cleared things up, but she couldn't be bothered.

How much respect or sympathy can I have for her? It was not going to jeopardize her career to simply have a word with the new caseworker who had it ALL WRONG.

I know I sound bitter, but I hope she has an ulcer and nightmares every night.

The one we have now is just not a good person, because a good person would NOT lie and break up a family just to cover a mistake. And that's exactly what she's doing, and the only reason we are in this situation. She had egg on her face, a big oopsie, and the only way out was to either A) admit the error or B) justify the action. She took the coward's way out.

No job in the world worth that in my book. Find another freakin' job before you sell your soul! Of course, if you were not that honest to begin with, or had delusions of saving the world AND an inflated sense of self-righteousness, then I guess it would be a piece of cake to be a caseworker without any ethics.

The friend of a friend ex CPS employee used to work in some capacity training/teaching college students who had aspirations of becoming caseworkers. When she came across bias or people who were extreme, or just didn't seem to be "stable", or who had an agenda against a certain "type" of person having kids, she would always try to counsel them OUT of choosing this profession, but sometimes she wasn't able to, and she will tell you that some of the "nuts" get through all the time.

[dasuberding]

Man, I almost got teary eyed reading about the plight of the CPS caseworker. LOL. Get a grip, this is the enemy! There is nothing good or noble about what these people do because they are doing it for a paycheck and they know what they are doing is wrong and against nature. Folks, this is the new world order that your friendly neighborhood socialists want..."everybody needs help, forced help, if needed". They know whats better for us, the individuals, than we do. The system works! Middle class socialist brats! State sanctioned terrorists, is more like it.

[dasuberding]

"Her sentiment was encouraging but she still wasn't willing to put her job or bonus or what ever incentive they get, on the line to make it happen"

Exactly! We had a "sympathetic" case worker who only became sympathetic after we did some arm twisting. This guy practically admitted to us that we were getting hosed by his wonderful system yet still lied to the court when it came time to answer to his masters bidding. As far as I'm concerned, they're all guilty of domestic terrorism and traitors to the US constitution. If I ever meet another social worker/cw, I'm throwing them out of the door (whereever, I am) on their asses! I'm not kidding!

[Frustrated]

I agree with Dausbering, there is nothing "sympatetic" when it comes to these CPS Workers. They KNEW what they are getting into...they even play the violin card game to get you crying...and feeling sorry about their "hard" jobs but when it comes to Court time, they all of a sudden showed their true colors and it was grimacing evil face teething and gnawing at your Family.

It was so scary when I saw the CPS Worker that was so nice and turned just plain evil on her face. It is like two faced episode with Jekyll and Hyde. That is exactly what they are. They would play you until you get attacked. They KNEW what they are doing and they love playing it. (all that crying and everything...) Now, I don't know if their crying is really geuniune or it is just a ploy to make you feel sorry for them for having horrible jobs.

I just don't know anymore with these People, they just mess with your Heads, and that kind of thing is something you need to STAY AWAY FROM! They do Mental Abuse games. Then when I am not sure of something, I go back to the Bible and it says "TAKE EVIL OUT OF YOUR HOUSE." That is when I knew right then that is exactly what they are talking about. They would lure and go into your house and take your Children and things like that, and that kind of sorts they do are plain evil and you have the rights to take the Evil out of the house.

Out of the door and not wanting their company or their interference. Period. We reserve the Right to protect our Families at all costs and protect our Homes.

[mojojojogrl]

my case worker at first was Im here to help.....then turned very cold and nasty....then when all the allegations turned out false...she got nice again because she wants to keep me in her clutches and really cant now.... these people know what they are getting into.....dyfs is on my a$$ because of what ?!?... my children are well feed well taken care of...they get to go on 5 vacations a year.... they attend the best private school......yet three towns over a foster family was starving there three foster kids ....with the 18 year old boy weighing 65lbs when they found him going through trash cans to find something to eat.....be careful of the wolf in sheeps clothing

here is a link to how great of a job nj dyfs is doing.....the collingswood abuse case is posted on there.....

http://www.nj.com/news/childabuse/

[Frustrated]

Precisely. I agree.

Be wary of them acting like Sheeps' but really in Wolves' Clothing.

Beware of the sentence "I am here to help you".

it is a ruse and not the truth what they are saying to you. They are to trap you into their Services, and make you suffer for Years on end. They don't care about you or your Family, just care about making Money through Services.

They are capable of covering up the truths, and would Lie a mile long to cover their butts. That's why it is important to have Witnesses, and Document everything to keep the Truth out there. They can cover up the truth for so long, but you still have the Truth.

[donita]

I should be happy because today my daughter and granddaughter got to come home And I am happy but they made me pay more than I wanted to pay.

DCS didn't so much as have a court order saying my husband couldn't be around our granddaughter. I tried to call their bluff. because I know they have messed up this case. and they know I know it. The case worker was literaly twisting in her chair with anger. but she got me back all right.

she worked me, actually it wasn't just her. her supervisor and the DCS lawyer who conveniently didn't show up for the meeting.

I signed a no contact order against my husband who sat in that meeting offering to leave if the kids could just come home.

I feel sick to my stomach. I feel dead inside, and I'm sure I'm going to feel scared tomorrow. I'm getting so tired, but I refuse to roll over and die. What kind of a person am I going to be after all of this? I have to make decisions that affect my whole family tomorrow. I'm a mess and the only person who makes me feel safe I just gave away. I hate them so much.

My grandbaby is 16 mo old. It took her an hour and half for her body to relax enough to go to sleep. She has only been gone 5 mo. and I can tell all of this has had an effect of her. I can't even imagine how anyone can stand the grief of being forced to allow someone else to raise thier baby.

My husband and I would pay this price a hundred times more to keep from suffering that grief.

but, why does DCS have to make you feel so stinking dirty. And they know we are not guilty. I hate them.

CASEWORKERS ARE NOT HUMAN !!!

[dasuberding]

Another thing to think about, how many humans do you know have a "qualified immunity" from prosecution for their criminal acts? Police don't even have that sort of protection and I know now from expierence that there is no such thing as "immunity". To all social workers/caseworkers, when the people that you are forcing your "help" on tell you to get the hell out of their lives, you better get the hell out. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS "QUALIFIED IMMUNITY" just as there is no such thing as a honest social worker.

[Greegor]

They are government funding scam artists.

We have one so good she wouldn't go along
with the prosecutor in court! Her first time
in 6 years the prosecutor pressed a case
over the objection of the caseworker!

But in 5 years of this stuff, BEATING a TPR
hearing and still not getting the kid back,
we have learned how two faced they
can be.

And never forget that workers can
be changed/reassigned.

[Frustrated]

Workers can be changed and reassigned?

Most cases they don't and Supervisors refused to change them.

They can be reassigned only if they got caught for doing something wrong and Courts are looking into it.

I remember CPS Director saying that if there was any wrong doing on CW's part, he or she will be put on desk duty and not part of the investigation until it is over.

I thought that was a joke, because the fact they are still working after the fact!

Yes, I agree with you, they are con artists, frauds, and sleuthing at that. They are full of trickersty. Start being nice and then all of a sudden being mean to you. Is that a good Professionality???

I think not. In fact, I think that is very, very, very distasteful and very very poor Business Professional Manner. I just wished there was a Profile on them where we can mark them. Mark ALL POOR!! Grading system if you will. I want that to be put in place so Supervisor can get feed back on Caseworkers like that.

Oh yes, they can't, because we are "in shortages of CW, we must use them".

Shortages? I would reccomend you start looking around the Nation, there are good ones out there. Why keep all athe evil ones? What for? So they can keep their power ego trips?

I have had one CW Investigator investigate my Case and she said "Don't worry, I have ALL THE POWER here, and I can do whatever I damn want and If I want something, I will get it with my POWER."

Can't you believe that? She even openly admitted that she is loving her Power while working on the job and she even boasted about it. She laughed afterwards when she stomps her right foot on the floor.

Then I thought shivering with all the chills, and imagine what she is capable of. Thankfully, she is gone and reassigned to another Worker that did nothing for 10 months on an Open Case for Emotional Harm? She was supposed to carry out the Service Plan which she was supposed to talk to my Kids every month and she was supposed to come to my Home to check things out. She never did. I am guessing she is doing that so she don't have to hire an Interpreter, all those Interpreter Services that they have to pay $80 bucks an Hour to the Interpreting Agency. They don't want to pay. They would rather MAKE Money!

[righteousbabe]

Workers can be changed and reassigned?

Most cases they don't and Supervisors refused to change them.

They can be reassigned only if they got caught for doing something wrong and Courts are looking into it.

I remember CPS Director saying that if there was any wrong doing on CW's part, he or she will be put on desk duty and not part of the investigation until it is over.

<snip>

The one and only thing my GF asked for in court was that the CW be reassigned. Even though she was so totally IN THE RIGHT legally and morally, and she'd agreed to all their other crap without argument, they refused this one request.

Great, now we have an offended, teed off CW who also happens to be a blatant liar.

We had a fine track record w/our previous CW for six months. It was always very civil. She didn't pull any BS, no lies, none of that. No, she wasn't my favorite person, but she was reasonable.

We never accused HER of lying, never complained to her supervisor, none of that... so if we were just "that way" why weren't we that way with her?

THIS caseworker has lied from day one, and continues, which is why we wanted a different one.

Why refuse such a nominal request?

[dasuberding]

"She didn't pull any BS, no lies"

Are you sure of that? These idits are trained to lie and distort the facts. What was stopping the cw from telling you one thing an then telling their masters another thing? Our cw pratically admitted we were getting screwed even stating that he "wanted nothing to do with our case" but still acted like they had one with his sup. and the court. I believe that these scum have been lying for so long that they really can't tell the difference anymore.

[righteousbabe]

"She didn't pull any BS, no lies"

Are you sure of that? These idits are trained to lie and distort the facts. What was stopping the cw from telling you one thing an then telling their masters another thing? Our cw pratically admitted we were getting screwed even stating that he "wanted nothing to do with our case" but still acted like they had one with his sup. and the court. I believe that these scum have been lying for so long that they really can't tell the difference anymore.

Well who knows for sure.

She may have just been a better liar.

Either way, we never caught her in blatant untruths and she never tried to claim (to our face) the exact opposite of what she'd said a week before, like this one we have now.

This one we have now is SHAMELESS, even arrogant about her lying.

[Frustrated]

RighteousBabe:

You WILL change your mind once you get the entire CPS Files, and you will KNOW what she put in these reports ARE LIES!!!

One thing they won't tell you and would claim "holier than thou's" nice CW then another thing they wrote down nothing but Lies about you.

Don't be tricked on how nice she "was", but who knows what things she wrote in the files? I surely hope it is nice things, but with these CW frauds, it won't happen. It is full of Lies and half truths. Maybe it is true that they must write at least one positive, but the rest are like Mud and Lies about you.

I would NOT trust ANY OF THEM! even if one of them are "nice" and so angelic...don't be fooled. All of them must work in the same structure and must do so or Supervisor is going to bench them.

Work, work, get services, get paid...that's what they are being told.

[gideonmacleish]

Man, I almost got teary eyed reading about the plight of the CPS caseworker. LOL. Get a grip, this is the enemy! There is nothing good or noble about what these people do because they are doing it for a paycheck and they know what they are doing is wrong and against nature. Folks, this is the new world order that your friendly neighborhood socialists want..."everybody needs help, forced help, if needed". They know whats better for us, the individuals, than we do. The system works! Middle class socialist brats! State sanctioned terrorists, is more like it.

Yup. Remember, even al Zarqawi rationalized what he did. It didn't make me weep a single tear when we got him, though. CPS has declared war on families, and we can't allow sympathy to detract us from our mission. It's a weakness. They PREY on weakness!

[righteousbabe]

RighteousBabe:

You WILL change your mind once you get the entire CPS Files, and you will KNOW what she put in these reports ARE LIES!!!

One thing they won't tell you and would claim "holier than thou's" nice CW then another thing they wrote down nothing but Lies about you.

Don't be tricked on how nice she "was", but who knows what things she wrote in the files? I surely hope it is nice things, but with these CW frauds, it won't happen. It is full of Lies and half truths. Maybe it is true that they must write at least one positive, but the rest are like Mud and Lies about you.

I would NOT trust ANY OF THEM! even if one of them are "nice" and so angelic...don't be fooled. All of them must work in the same structure and must do so or Supervisor is going to bench them.

Work, work, get services, get paid...that's what they are being told.

Well I look at it this way:

She may very well have lied like a dog in the case file. I don't know. I do know this:

She closed out our case, left us ALONE, didn't threaten remove anyone, and treated us like we knew how to handle things.

This new one screwed up, lied about it, and fabricated crap to wrongfully keep my GF's daughter out of the home. She continues to lie to justify wrongfully keeping the child for almost a YEAR.

So they are probably both liars, but the newest one's lies have MUCH more damaging effects.

[Frustrated]

Yes, I have CW's like that...one was nice then close the case (Investigator) then change/transfer to another CW, all of a sudden just mean.

All through out 5 years, 5 Cases with them, now onto new Sixth Case with this CW, they act they were nice, then change to another started attacking us. I had mostly CPS Ladies, and had only one Man. The Ladies are very moody, and I don't know if it has to do with their PMS or something...but man...we don't deserve to be treated like that. It is almost being emotionally abused by them. The Man was pretty nice and sat and understood what happened, then he closed the Case. Just like that.

By now, I know who the CW's are...because this Town is very small, only population of 1,200, and I know which ones are mean and which ones are nice. There is one CW I would stay away from, she is THAT MEAN! Oh boy!

The trick is...not to give in their Anger or Meanness, and we have to practice smiling and being polite, and nice...that would be hard to do especially if they treated you like Crap...if they do, just smile...and just be nice and out of the door they go...and WHEW! LOL Smile and being nice and Polite do set them off, and would cause them to calm down and often make them puzzled and confused. LOL it is true. I had one CW looking at me puzzled wondering why I was smiling.

I remember one time, I almost wanted to attack this Lady for just being so Mean to me, but I held myself back and thought about consquences and just remain calm. After she left, I just screamed in the Bathroom and then I prayed to God to do something about them. Then afterwards, I had learned a valuable lesson, is never act in Anger and be a Good Person, and that always win over all the Evil things they do. We win!

[lostintranslation]

I complained about my CW constantly. I fought with him every time we talked. He admitted a few things to me. He wasn't use to anyone standing up to him and he was use to people having the fear of him, the big bad CPS worker.

I flat out told him that we would be able to communicate much better if he learned some communication skills. Rather than talking to me, he was constantly nagging at me, insulting me and being extremely harsh. I didn't ask him to sugar coat things or talk to me all sickly sweet, just to give me some respect. He never did and yes, eventually he did get a written reprimand for his actions by the judge.

[Frustrated]

I complained about my CW constantly. I fought with him every time we talked. He admitted a few things to me. He wasn't use to anyone standing up to him and he was use to people having the fear of him, the big bad CPS worker.

I flat out told him that we would be able to communicate much better if he learned some communication skills. Rather than talking to me, he was constantly nagging at me, insulting me and being extremely harsh. I didn't ask him to sugar coat things or talk to me all sickly sweet, just to give me some respect. He never did and yes, eventually he did get a written reprimand for his actions by the judge.

This is EXACTLY why we should stand up to these Goons. They are used to having their POWER so we should take that POWER away. They should live and learn not to trample over People's Rights and we should demand respect. They are very disrespectful because they think and justify that Revenge is the only answer to strike back at the Abuser. They have issues that needs Psch. Eval themselves. These kind of Revenge is plain Dangerous and can you imagine how they act around these poor Children?!

Scary indeed.

[gideonmacleish]

In response to the title, though...Nazis were people, too. Every single one of them had families. Just because they were human didn't make their actions any less evil.

[dasuberding]

LOL, ditto on that!

[righteousbabe]

Maybe I told this story already, maybe not. I don't know, so if it's a repeat, sorry!

The "nice" caseworker we had was nice and reasonable for the most part.... BUT there was one time I saw her "true colors" and yikes!

She's always been very respectful, cordial, treated us like human beings, had nice discussions, etc.

One time though, due to a miscommunication on the part of a third party as well as the CW, she got it into her head that my GF had missed a scheduled appointment (with the 3rd party). In fact, the appointment was at 11 that morning, but we'd had a last minute necessary change of plans that could NOT be avoided, and so my GF had called to cancel the appointment that morning around 8 am. She'd rescheduled for the following week, and all was well.

She had no idea (CW never said a word) that the CW was planning on meeting her at that appointment as well, so of course she didn't call her. CW showed up and realized my GF was not there and FREAKED the hell out.

I don't know if the third party told her that my GF had cancelled or not, but she (CW) hung around until almost noon waiting and was LIVID.

We weren't even home, and when we did get there, she had left several hysterical answering maching messages for us that were clearly phone calls made A) from the appointment place and then B) from her car and finally C) from our front porch, because on the machine you could hear her banging on the door in the background!

When we got home our neighbor from upstairs came down to tell us some "crazy white woman" had been banging on our door for about 15 minutes and yelling for us.

She went OFF. She was ranting and raving about how my GF had "skipped out" on the appointment and how this was not going to be tolerated, then from the calls made from the porch she was saying "I know you are in there, you BETTER answer the door and stop playing with me!!!!!"

We had two cars at the time and had all left in one of them. Duh.

In that neighborhood we routinely left the TV on to make it seem as if we were home. Duh.

She didn't call and say "Sorry I missed you" or any of that... she was accusatory and just insane. I was SHOCKED. We'd "known" her for about 4-5 months at that time and never had she been like that, and never had we cancelled or had no-shows or in any way NOT cooperated so there was no justification for acting like that... but she did.

We called her back and got voice mail of course and GF left her a message saying how we had communicated with the appointment people well in advance, it was an unavoidable cancellation, it had been rescheduled, and furthermore, we had been nothing but SUPER cooperative during the months of their involvement so her reaction was way out of line. She told the cw that neither of us appreciated being chewed out and accused of deception and non-cooperation and that her reaction was uncalled for, and that had we KNOW she was going to show up we would have called her too. She said something like "you really ought to hear yourself on our answering machine and perhaps reconsider your tone". LOL

So, the CW calls back (typical phone tag) and is sweet as sugar and says "Oh, I'm sorry if you misunderstood, I wasn't angry as you suggested... I just wondered what happened and if everything was okay." Ummm, okay. Delusional??

Cracked that nut, apparently! Certainly were on eggshells after that little freaky blowout.

It was frightening to see the psycho control freak side come out with so little provocation! I think that was the "light bulb" moment for me when it came to understanding "these people".

“Freedom is when one hears the bell at seven o'clock in the morning and knows it is the milkman and not the Gestapo.”

----Georges Bidault